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Subject: Question. on side loading
Date Posted: 7/21/2012 12:24 PM ET
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Hi.

Since my hubby did not freak out when I mentioned getting an ereader, and my heavy books have been hurting my shoulder so not reading which means annoying him more..LOL

I have around $100 to spend and want either a  Nook or Kindle eink.  My library has kindle books and I know the Nook has to be side loaded to get library books.

BUT I know the Kindle only allows you do download kindle books.

How hard is it to get NON kindle books on the ereader? Like from smashwords or fictionwise etc.  Can you provide a basic step by step instruction on how it's done?

It's the one thing I could not do on a demo version of the kindle.

Which is easier to side load a Nook or Kindle?

Date Posted: 7/21/2012 3:09 PM ET
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BUT I know the Kindle only allows you do download kindle books.

If I buy a book at some places I can have it sent to my Amazon library.  Pottermore will do that, and Baen books. You just need to give them your Kindle's address and they'll send it to Amazon for you. Then it's there with the other books in your Amazon library. I think more ebook sellers are working on doing that as well.

How hard is it to get NON kindle books on the ereader? Like from smashwords or fictionwise etc.

It's easy, as long as they're in Non-DRM'd mobi format. Or if you have a program like Calibre, you can Convert books to that format. There's ways to strip the DRM off of various books so that they're generic, then change them to the format you want. But you'd have to do some research to find out how. But there are plenty of books out there with no DRM.

(TOR announced a while back that they'll be offering all their ebooks without DRM on their web site by spring. But they've removed the DRM on some  ebooks carried by various stores already. Which means you can convert at will.)

My main book manger program is Calibre. I sideload to my Kindle all the time. I buy Sherlock Holmes books at Amazon to put on it, then sideload my Sherlock Holmes fanfic in Mobi format on it through Calibre.

Exact same process as the Nook. I just have to make sure I have mobi copies ready, since I usually do ePub and the Kindle can't read that. I just convert a batch and slide them over.

With Calibre, it's easy. When you plug in your device, the program sees the machine and you have a little icon at the top to show that it's connected and recognised. Hover your mouse over it and it'll tell you how much space you have left on it. Click on it and you can see the list of books inside, and can delete them from there if you want.

Otherwise, just select the books you want to move, right click and select "Send to Device", and it'll send mobi copies of your book to the Kindle. Easy Peasy. It won't try to send your machine formats it can't read. (which is good, 'cause I don't keep track well since I have various readers.)

When done, click on the icon with the Kindle symbol on it. Select "Eject". Unplug the Kindle and it'll sort the new stuff for a bit and your done.

With some older Kindles there are plug-ins for the program that will have your Kindle sort the book on the device by Collections. But the new Touch models can't do that.

With Calibre, sideloading is exactly the same procedure for both. They just need different formats.

 

Ronda (RONDA) - ,
Date Posted: 7/21/2012 3:53 PM ET
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i side loaded to my kindle from a cd of ebooks by using file manager and just drag/drop the file (needed to make sure I selected the one in the right format)

From the library, the book showed up on my amazon account as a library book, but would not load via whispernet.  It would have via wireless, but I haven't set that up, so I also did the sideload for that one.  I did hear that some publishers wouldn't allow the library load to the kindle except via side loading.  They do delete the book at the end of the loan period via whisper net (or wireless).

I have not used calibre since I get almost all my books from amazon and any from other places, I get in the format for kindle & sideload.  I haven't found any books I must have that aren't in the kindle format, so I have just skipped that.  But I also understand that folks use it to have a back up of the book and a catalog.  I just assume amazon is going to be around for a while and hold the books from there for me like they said they would.  From other sources I downloaded and saved to my computer or flash drive.

I did try a kobo reader for library books before amazon got on the library service.  My library used adobe digital editions for that and it was a pain to get set-up.  not bad after set-up, but still a tiny bit more difficult than amazon.

I have not used the nook.  I assume it works about the same.

The one thing that the kindle did that the others don't is that whispernet worked when i was in london.  not like i have needed it often, but it was nice to have.

Date Posted: 7/21/2012 4:08 PM ET
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Step by Step for the Kindle:

Method 1: Buy the book, download it. Go to your email program, create an email to your Kindle email address, attach the file. Send.

Method 2: (preferred) Buy the book, download it. Open Calibre.  Add the book. Click the edit metadata button to make any changes in how you want the title/author to appear. Click the connect/share button and email it to your Kindle.

Method 3: Buy the book, download it. Right click on the file name and click Send to Kindle. Choose your device and click ok.

Method 4: Buy the book, download it. Attack USB cable and drag the book over.

Kindle owner for 1.5 years, and I have never used method 4.

Date Posted: 7/21/2012 5:43 PM ET
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Thanks. 

Hubby wants me to get a Kindle as it can support more file types (He wants to 'borrow' it from time to time).



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Date Posted: 7/21/2012 6:35 PM ET
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I love my e-ink Kindles.  I also have a Sony T1. I prefer reading on any of those. I prefer the ease of loading books onto the Kindles, and the Amazon archives for personal documents. I'm hoping they'll come out with a Kindle Touch that's updated. Rumor says the announcement will be July 31.  I might get one, if I like it. Have to wait and see.

The $79 Kindle is really nice, if you don't take a lot of notes and stuff.



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Date Posted: 7/21/2012 6:51 PM ET
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Hubby wants me to get a Kindle as it can support more file types (He wants to 'borrow' it from time to time).

You'll want him to recheck that.

AFAIK, Kindles will support AZW and mobi.

Nooks will support epub and PDF.  (And can be hacked to run regular android apps. But that's got a learning curve.)

Sony prs-T1 will support Beebook, epub, PDF and Ttxt

Kobo Touch will support epub, PDF, Mobi, txt, html, rtf, CBZ and CBR

(Although I'd never recommend reading PDF on any eink machine. If you have to read PDF's, get a tablet.)

Ed. to add ones I've left out.



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Date Posted: 7/21/2012 7:45 PM ET
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If I could only have one ereader, I'd go for a Sony over anything else.  Love my Sony and it'd be the last ereader I'd give up.  My Nook Color is okay, only thing it has over the Sony is the ease of getting books onto it but it's not that bad to plug the Sony into the computer and transfer books over.

Date Posted: 7/21/2012 8:02 PM ET
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the Amazon Kindle will also support PDF. And using email you can send html, rtf, and I think text, Amazon will convert it and deliver it to your Kindle. (They will also do so with PDF if you tell it to).  The Kindle will NOT read epub (unless you have rooted it).

I do LOVE my Sony T-1, it's smaller and lighter than my Kindle Keyboards, I love the touch screen, and I love the file organization, and the SD card slot. Mine has a simple root on it with some Android stuff, I can browse the web, use dropbox to add files, listen to the radio (via headphones), has buttons for page turn, menu, back and home. I have 5000 files on my SD card, all in folders and subfolders. They are all epub and I use coolreader to read them. I did have FBreader on it, and I did have mobi files on it, but found I prefered the way the Sony handles the epubs better so took those off. Some people actually put the Kindle app on the rooted Sony T1. Even with all those books, searching for a book is zippy...type it in and it comes up in seconds. Way faster than my Kindle keyboards, each of which has less than 300 on them. So yeah, the Sony is the superior reader. I would like a Kindle Touch that can do what the Sony does! Waiting to see if they improve it or not. If they just add a light, I'll pass.

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Date Posted: 7/21/2012 8:02 PM ET
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You can convert the files to whichever format so I wouldn't let that stop me either way. Calibre is free and it only takes a couple minutes to change a file.

I have little ereader experience, I've only had a basic kindle for a couple months and I got it refurbished so it didn't even come with instructions. The easiest way I have found is to plug in the USB cord, open the download folder when it pops up or the F: file as it is seen by the computer as an external storage device, and copy and paste anything I want to add to it. That's it. Put it in the folder and it's on your kindle. I have converted several different file types to .mobi with calibre and it works just fine. 

Date Posted: 7/21/2012 8:42 PM ET
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From one of Emily's posts:

I use Calibre to strip DRM. I have two blogs bookmarked about it.

Alf's blog about DRM

ABC's of format 

And my comment: I LOVE THIS!!!! I have a Nook and was chapped to find several self published ebooks at Amazon for dirt cheap but not at B&N. They were university published and not mainstream in paper- very hard to find and expensive. So, I followed the above links (when posted in a different thread) and it worked brilliantly. I can now read Kindle files on my Nook. I can also purchase Kindle files and offer them for trade at the lending sites (Kindle moves much faster than Nook) and get lended books in return. Just like a purchased book, it downloads into my Kindle for PC and I then convert the lent book into epub and load it on the Nook. The other nice thing is that the original file goes back after two weeks but the converted file will stay as long as I like.

Personally, my ethics have no problem stripping the DRM off a book I came by legitimately whether purchasing or lent. My ethics do have a problem with sharing those stripped files in any way so I don't. So whichever machine you get, there's a way to read content from more sources than you think and enjoy all worlds.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 1:12 AM ET
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Cindy- he was seeing that doc's and other formats can be converted to kindle files by emailing them to the device.  I got him to look into it. And no he has no PDF that he wants to view on their, just straight txt files from the sounds of things.

What I want is an ereader I do not have to side load stuff into, that I can click and have on my reader.  I tried the cheap kindle with the buttons at staples and did not like it but the kindle touch was what worked best for me.. I played with the Nook as well but library ebooks have to be side loaded for that to work.

 

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 6:53 AM ET
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xen, sounds like the Kindle Touch is the right choice for you. At $99 it's a great buy. But I strongly urge you to wait til the end of the month and see if the rumors about a new model are true. Amazon will most likely be introducing a Kindle Touch with a front light. It may well be more expensive. But if something like that was important to you, it could be worth it.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 8:42 AM ET
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Xen, a number of publishers are also requiring the Kindle library books to be loaded via USB. I don't know the whys on that but I see it on a lot of books when I go in to choose my format to download. FYI.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 9:02 AM ET
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I opened a PDF in my Kindle to see how they look and it SUCKED! I totally not recommend trying to read PDFs on a Kindle.

Question to those more knowledgeable: doesn't Amazon charge you when you send documents to the Kindle email? I read that somewhere.

I've had my Kindle Touch for less than a month and it's sooo easy to sideload books using Calibre.

 



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Date Posted: 7/22/2012 11:03 AM ET
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D.G. you only get charged for emailing documents to your Kindle if you do it over their 3G, as opposed to your wifi. I always load via wifi. However, I found out you can get your personal documents out of your Amazon archive (onto your Kindle) over 3G and there is no charge. That is one reason I am hankering for a Kindle Touch, it would be faster and easier than on the keyboard model.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 11:41 AM ET
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Cindy- he was seeing that doc's and other formats can be converted to kindle files by emailing them to the device.  I got him to look into it. And no he has no PDF that he wants to view on their, just straight txt files from the sounds of things.

He should be fine. But he needs to remember if he has Amazon convert for him, he'll get what he gets. They don't stop and check to make sure the results are legible.

That was a big problem for a while for some new ebook authors. They'd fix up a pretty file containing their book, upload it to Amazon's process for converting to AZW, and garbage would come out the other side. Sometimes they didn't realize it until people gave them 1 star reviews and panned their book for formatting problems. I think they've tweaked their converting programs some since then, but it's an automated process and your Hubby won't know if it's working until he gets it.

Which is why I like the control of converting myself into Calibre. When going from one fromat to epub, (my basic book format) I've had it look like garbage. But I can play with the setting and fix it until I have a good conversion. (Usually, convert to RTF, open in Word and fix the problems, then save as HTML and reload into calibre and reconvert.)

I opened a PDF in my Kindle to see how they look and it SUCKED! I totally not recommend trying to read PDFs on a Kindle.

PDF's seem to do the job in business situations. They presever the original look of a document for storage and reprinting on an 8 x 11 1/2 piece of paper.

Nice for manuals (which is why most owners manuals you get are PDF anymore.) But for reading books it just sucks. People have so many problems with them on any reading device that it's best to just not buy them in the first place.

 

 

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 1:17 PM ET
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I have read a couple of PDF files on my Sony and they didn't look much different than the EPUB files I usually put on there.  I don't recall why they wouldn't convert for me but I didn't find it much different than reading an EPUB file.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 1:50 PM ET
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PDF's work better on touch tablets. Of course I am talking about fiction, not manuals or text books.

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 2:16 PM ET
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Cindy _ I'll get him to look at Calibre as that would make him happier. He had me buy the kindle with no ads as he was very much against it..LOL  He is a computer geek so I can see him having fun with it.  BUT you did give me a great idea, I can use it to transfer some of my novels in progress and use it to help edit (original copy vs edited copy).

It's been ordered last night.. I did not get a cover or anything else.  I have texture issues so need to feel the case before getting it.. Do I need a screen cover flim?

Date Posted: 7/22/2012 6:52 PM ET
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Do I need a screen cover flim?

Nope. That's just for tablets to fight the glare. There's no glare with the e-ink.

I have a few PDFs I got for review from Netgalley and even on my iPad, they are a pain in the neck (no way to increase the font size...what you see is what you get.)

ETA: Thanks for answering my question, Anne. I think I'll continue sideloading through Calibre but it's nice to know I can do it the other way without incurring a charge.



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Date Posted: 7/22/2012 7:57 PM ET
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Is there no way to pinch zoom on the ipad? That works for PDF's on the Fire. It's certainly not a perfect way to read but it works. Sometimes PDF's are not able to be converted, otherwise, I just convert everything either to mobi or epub, depending on what reader I want to put it on.

Oh and yeah, loading your ereader via Calibre is the best way. I have my Kindle email address in Calibre and so I can just click Connect/Share, email to...... and it delivers over my wifi.  For my Sony I plug it in and click "send to device." Calibre is fantastic. Before I figured out how to do that, I emailed my pdocs. So then MY name would come up in the author column. Calibre is much better. and the Send to Kindle thing from the file manager is great, too!



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Date Posted: 7/23/2012 10:47 AM ET
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yes Calibre!

-RD

Date Posted: 7/23/2012 11:21 AM ET
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I just meant a screen cover film to prevent scratches. I have one on my phone, just not sure how it would effect the eink screen.

It's meant to arrive on thursday :) 

It says it can play MP3's does that mean I could download an audio book and listen OR is it just for music? I had music going on the demo version we had at work, but since we could not buy anything or side load, I was not able to test that theory and my friend who has an eink kindle does not listen to audiobooks.
Found the answer is yes and can use audible for that..

 



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Date Posted: 7/23/2012 11:56 AM ET
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I just meant a screen cover film to prevent scratches. I have one on my phone, just not sure how it would effect the eink screen.

I think it depends on where you carry them. I have mine in cases, and when I'm out I have a small electronics case (messanger bag size) for a purse. It's got several padded pockets in it and a long enough strap that I can put it over my neck and wear it across my body. The back pocket only holds my eReaders and nothing else goes in that specific pocket.

I've never had a screen scratch. But if you're putting them anywhere near keys, coins or other things it's possible they'll work their way up between the case cover and the screen. I've seen people reporting it happening.

But I'm a big believer in cases of some sort. I think people forget that there's a layer of glass in there, and even in a case a drop on the corner can fracture the glass inside. I think in most cases it's more expensive to have someone replace the screen than to just get a new one.

I had a Touch with Special Offers, but paid to have the Special Offers removed and it just become a regular Touch. They used to give really good offers every once in a while, just for people with the SO machines. Now they're just ads based on your location, so it's not anything Amazon is giving out. They're adds anone can get and take advantage of, so not so "special' anymore. Last I heard the last Special Offer was in April before they went to the general ads.

Still not bad if you don't mind the ads since the machine is cheaper. But I decided I wasn't interested in the ads, (I was already getting the same ads from another source) and wanted that bit of screen back and to keep my wifi off.



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