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Subject: Question on WL line and number one spot.....
Date Posted: 3/21/2008 5:18 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/21/2008 5:20 PM ET
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If you really need another copy than contact R&R and ask to be put back in the top spot. They will do this if a WL offer goes bad.

Date Posted: 3/21/2008 5:33 PM ET
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so, even though the book is unpostable, is it unreadable or is this a book you are going to keep?  Doesn't sound fair to me for you to have a readable copy of the WL book and just because it is unpostable for you to get back at the front of the line. 

 

just my 2 cents

Date Posted: 3/21/2008 5:39 PM ET
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Ask R&R to put you back to #1. They will. You received an unpostable copy, you should have your spot back to get what you ordered-that book up to site standards. Doesn't matter if the copy you have is readable or not, maybe you didn't order it to just be readable, but that's your business, you waited in line to get a postable copy, you shouldn't have to wait again just because some other member took it upon themselves to decide you could make due with a crapper.

I have asked R&R to put be back to #1 when I rec'd an icky WL book and they did it right away.

Date Posted: 3/21/2008 5:45 PM ET
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I agree with Melanie. I'd contact R&R and ask to be placed back to #1. If a book is marked RWP that member should have every right to another copy without having to wait in line again.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 1:00 PM ET
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Thank you for your responses.  I'll ask and see what happens.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 5:52 PM ET
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I've had this situation, and R&R put me back at the front of the line, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Christy - If the book is unpostable, she never should have been bumped out of the number one slot because of it.  The transaction shouldn't have happened at all.  So it is only fair that she not loose her place in line for someone else's mistake.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 7:07 PM ET
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Well Kari sure the transaction shouldn't have taken place but, it did. IF it was me and the book was readable I would think why delay other people from getting the book, just read it and move on....I've done this several times, the book was readable though not postable, what am I going to do with two books anyway I'm sure not going to read it twice.  IF it was going to be a keeper well, that would be a total different story.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 7:44 PM ET
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IF it was me and the book was readable I would think why delay other people from getting the book, just read it and move on...

That's certainly your right to make that choice.  Not everyone feels that way.



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Date Posted: 3/22/2008 8:37 PM ET
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Why shouldn't she go back to #1?  If there are other wishers and she had planned on reposting the book then she's screwed out of a credit due to it being unpostable.  She has every right to get a POSTABLE copy of the book.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 9:07 PM ET
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I asked, so we'll see what they say.

In my mind, I'm first in line for a postable copy.  If I wanted a crappy book I could get it anywhere, I wouldn't need to wait for it.  And I wouldn't pay over three bucks for it (the cost of a credit).  Just because a book was sent, doesn't mean I got what I waited in line for. 

Also, in case the sender ever reads this, this is no reflection on her.  She responded right away and we resolved the situation.  I don't want her to read this and think I was complaining about her.  She simply missed it.  It happens to the best of us.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 9:42 PM ET
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My question is how were you out a credit..."And I wouldn't pay over three bucks for it (the cost of a credit)."

When you said..."She responded immediately, apologized and refunded my credit,"

"If there are other wishers and she had planned on reposting the book then she's screwed out of a credit due to it being unpostable."  Ummm, No she wasn't screwed out of a credit...she has a readable copy of the book - though unpostable and she has her credit....hmmm somehow I just don't get the concept she was screwed.  Now, personally I think the people that will get bumped back because she wants a second copy of the book are the ones getting screwed.

Obviously the damage to the book that makes it unpostable isn't that severe...."She simply missed it."

Just my opinion!!

 

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 10:03 PM ET
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She doesn't want a second copy of the book, she wants a postable copy of the book, its what she waited in line for already. With your reasoning, she should just repost the crapper and send it on because everyone should just be happy with getting the book to read. That opinion of just as long as its readable be happy with it scares me.

Sorry, but not everyone on here just wants the book to be readable. Obviously Julie is willing to pay a credit to get another copy of this book so her needs are not met by the unpostable copy sent to her. She waited in the line to get a postable copy of the book. The fact that a nonpostable copy was mailed should not change the ordering of the WL. SHE should not be penalized for someone else breaking the rules. Why are the people behind her more important? They are not being penalized by Julie being put back where she was, they are in the same place they were before a bad transaction.

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 10:14 PM ET
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The question isn't if the book is readable or even if she can repost it.  The question is:  Was this book within the guidelines of this site?   It wasn't!  Therefore - she should go back to the first of the line. 

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 10:21 PM ET
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She isn't being penalized....

"That opinion of just as long as its readable be happy with it scares me."  I don't think that books that don't meet standards should be posted but, some people don't follow the rules and mistakes happen but, IF you get a book that doesn't meet standards but, it is still readable and IF you aren't getting it for a keeper or a gift people should be IMO reasonable and just read the book they got...the words are going to be the same, the story is the same, the book ends the same...the damage doesn't change any of that.

AND NO...I don't think she should post the unpostable book but, if it is such that the damage was so easily overlooked by the sender it shouldn't be that horrible she can't read it.  She didn't pay a credit for it but, whatever...guess with this type of thought from now on I'll just bump folks back every time I get an unpostable copy...what the hay...I'll be getting me a second copy of the book.

Every book that is classified as unpostable is not "a crapper".....that term is a bit of overkill

Date Posted: 3/22/2008 11:04 PM ET
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I heard back and they are going to move me back to first in line.  Thanks.

Christy you may want to edit your post.  Knowingly admitting to being willing to break the rules just to get a second copy of a WL book may not bode well for you should you ever really and truly be in the position of getting an unpostable WL book.  I'd hate to see you miss out. 

....guess with this type of thought from now on I'll just bump folks back every time I get an unpostable copy...what the hay...I'll be getting me a second copy of the book.



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Date Posted: 3/22/2008 11:54 PM ET
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Christy - why are you so upset?  The rules say you should get a postable book.  If you don't, then you can be put back at first on the wishlist.  That's the way the system works.  Why does this bother you?

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 12:02 AM ET
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AND NO...I don't think she should post the unpostable book but, if it is such that the damage was so easily overlooked by the sender it shouldn't be that horrible she can't read it.  She didn't pay a credit for it but, whatever...guess with this type of thought from now on I'll just bump folks back every time I get an unpostable copy...what the hay...I'll be getting me a second copy of the book.

 

I am really surprised at the stance you are taking on this situation.  The book was unpostable, it shouldn't have been sent.  Period.  Why should she lose her place in the WL line when she has a damaged, unpostable book? 

 

You, personally, have some very specific requestor conditions that were discussed just last week.  (And yes, your update on that situation had me in stitches.)  So if someone sends you a book that is unpostable based on your RCs, but is "readable" would you be happy going to the end of a WL line to get a book that *you* could actually read?  I know I'm making this personal for you, but are you willing to do what you expect her to do? 

 

This is NO reflection on the person who sent this particular book (I don't know who she is or the circumstances of the condition of the book), but the fact that a sender *says* they overlooked it doesn't mean a thing.  Sometimes that's just a graceful way to deal with something they thought might pass -- but didn't.  There are enough people who *don't* mark books RWP that I wouldn't be surprised that unpostable books are accepted quite often because they are "readable." 

 

I received a book just last week (excellently wrapped, including plastic, and no damage to the packaging) that had water damage on every single page of the book.  Not slight -- not invisible -- brown liquid stains on every single page.  She insists she didn't send it that way, apologized and returned my credit. She even says she read it. 

 

The first time I had someone respond to me this way, I returned her credit back to her and said that even though the package showed no damage and the pages were dry, she shouldn't be responsible for what the post office did.  I never heard back from her, so I guess she was pleased with this resolution. 

 

But I don't do that anymore.  There is some damage that you can see that people would miss -- water damage on the cover under the dust jacket, for instance.  It never occurred to *me* to check under a dust jacket, and frankly I don't know why I looked under this one.  That's just not part of my inspection process for books going out or coming in.  I just happened to look under this one and it was really a mess.  So when she said she "missed it" I totally believed her.  But it was obvious it wasn't damaged at the post office, either. 

 

I've received several books where they say they didn't send it out that way and blame the post office.  But when there is no damage to the package, I'm sorry -- I don't believe them.  Giving people the benefit of the doubt doesn't mean I close my eyes and pretend I'm not seeing what is there. 

 

 

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 1:38 AM ET
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Ummm, No she wasn't screwed out of a credit...she has a readable copy of the book.

Obviously the damage to the book that makes it unpostable isn't that severe...."She simply missed it."

I dont see where she says the book is readable.  She says its unpostable.  Just because the unpostabilityness (LOL) of the book may have been overlooked by the sender, doesnt mean the book is readable.

But, neither here nor there.  She got a book that was not up to the guidlines of the site.  The sender was gracious enough to refund the credit.  She should go back in line 1st. 

My question is, I still want my WL book, so I wished it again, but now I'm at the end of the line............bummer.  Is there a clause or rule I'm unaware of that would allow me to be first in line again, or do I need to wait all over again?

I am glad you got to go back to 1st in line  =)

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 6:45 AM ET
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Julie W. said, "Christy you may want to edit your post.  Knowingly admitting to being willing to break the rules just to get a second copy of a WL book may not bode well for you should you ever really and truly be in the position of getting an unpostable WL book.  I'd hate to see you miss out. "

I am not stating that I would break some rule...seems that the rule here is if you get an unpostable then you contact R&R and get put back at the head of the line and as a result you get a second copy of the book, no rule breaking there.

Kari M. said, "You, personally, have some very specific requestor conditions that were discussed just last week.  (And yes, your update on that situation had me in stitches.)  So if someone sends you a book that is unpostable based on your RCs, but is "readable" would you be happy going to the end of a WL line to get a book that *you* could actually read?  I know I'm making this personal for you, but are you willing to do what you expect her to do? "

Actually Kari, I wouldn't go to the end of the WL line as I would not request another copy because I feel it is unfair to those in the line to get bumped back so, I'm not going to do to them what I would not want done to me.  So, yes I would make do with the readable copy that I got.  During my time here I've gotten I think 4 unpostable WL books, and never once have I requested to go back to the head of the WL line, I've simply read the unpostable copy of the book that I received.  Oh, and Kari just because I'm defending my position on the subject does not mean that I am "upset" I just simply disagree and debating/defending my stance.


The statement that "she just missed it" was a statement made by the requestor not the sender...

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 11:27 AM ET
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Actually Kari, I wouldn't go to the end of the WL line as I would not request another copy because I feel it is unfair to those in the line to get bumped back so, I'm not going to do to them what I would not want done to me.  So, yes I would make do with the readable copy that I got.  During my time here I've gotten I think 4 unpostable WL books, and never once have I requested to go back to the head of the WL line, I've simply read the unpostable copy of the book that I received.  Oh, and Kari just because I'm defending my position on the subject does not mean that I am "upset" I just simply disagree and debating/defending my stance.

The statement that "she just missed it" was a statement made by the requestor not the sender...

 

Thanks for responding to that.  I was just curious. 

 

It's "Kris", btw -- but that's okay.  I like "Kari" better, anyway!  LOL!  I just thought you were answering someone else until I recognized the words.  :-D

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 12:41 PM ET
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I see Christy's point.  If the sender returned the credit the recipient isn't out that credit for the book.  If the book were readable (even though it's unpostable), I probably wouldn't be requesting to be put back #1 on the WL because I have a readable book.

I definitely see why someone would want to be put back #1 if they wanted a postable copy for whatever reason.  It's great that R&R will do that for someone that wants it.

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 1:58 PM ET
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Well there would be no debate if folks would not send out books that didn't meet PBS guidelines. 

In this case the ENTIRE book was not connected to the spine (HC).  I can understand that the sender may have missed it if she did not open the book.  It was an ex library copy, so if she got it at an FOL sale, I can see that she maybe didn't open it.  Had she opened it and seen that the whole book, lock, stock and barrel, was not connected to the spine, she probably would not have sent it.  At least I hope so.  There was liquid damage too.

If she had not sent an unpostable book, I would have remained at number one.  Accepting books that don't meet guidelines hurts the whole site in full.  The site is designed to work best and efficiently if all the rules are followed.  It is important to weed out folks who wont play well with others.  Just because you (general) are willing to spend a credit on a book that's unpostable doesn't mean you're doing the sender any favors.  In fact, your hurting the entire system and all the other members.  Knowingly breaking the rules is hardly noble.  And using the guise that it's still readable is foolish.   

Why have RC's if one is willing to accept books that don't meet those conditions?  That makes no sense to me.

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 4:48 PM ET
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Who said you should spend a credit on an unpostable book?  I don't recall reading that anywhere on this thread.

Date Posted: 3/23/2008 5:39 PM ET
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As Kris pointed out, she said most of that not me.  Not that I mind, since I pretty much agree with what she said.

"Upset" may have been the wrong word, but I don't understand why you don't think it's fair for a person to expect a postable copy of a book and to keep their position in the wishlist if someone else makes a mistake and sends an unpostable copy. 

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