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Subject: Questions about books on hold in my bookshelf
Date Posted: 3/13/2011 4:26 PM ET
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When we get a new book, and mark it received, the system asks us if we want to delete it from our bookshelf.  If we say no, the book is in our bookshelf on hold.    The default is "no".

What I want to know is, is that book now in the queue?  So when I finally read it and take it off hold, it is approaching the front of the queue? 

Or when we take the book off hold, it goes to the back of the queue?  If so, I definitely don't see the point of having the book in my bookshelf on hold as it's clutter.  It certainly looks like that is what is doing, because when you take a book off hold that's on your bookshelf it moves to the top where the newer books are.

I am assuming vacation hold does NOT change the position of your bookshelf book in the queue.  If I'm assuming wrong, let me know!

What I'm question is this individual hold business that happens when you mark a book received.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:02 PM ET
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Are you saying does your book still move up through the FIFO line when it is on hold on your bookshelf, if you do not want to delete it at that time?

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:05 PM ET
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Yes, does a book on hold in your bookshelf move up through the FIFO line.  That's what I want to know.  This is different from vacation hold, I believe.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:10 PM ET
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No, a book on individual Hold on your Bookshelf is not in the que until you Post it. You will notice that there is no Unhold button there, the button is Post.  The purpose of the Hold button there is just a little bit of a shortcut having the book right there on your Bookshelf and you can just click the Post button there.  

The Vacation Hold feature does preserve your relative place in the FIFO lines.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:13 PM ET
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That's good to know that you are not hurting anything by deleting those from your shelf.   I agree, it seemed like clutter to keep them there.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:16 PM ET
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Thanks for the explanation.  I personally don't like my bookshelf clogged up, so now that I know there is no reason to do so I will not take the default when I am marking the books received.  I prefer to post books from my TBR list anyway.  I put all the books that come in my house from whatever source on my TBR list, it's a fairly handy thing.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 5:45 PM ET
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I don't like them on there and generally click to remove the book when I mark it received.  I think everyone should be encouraged to get out the book and have it hand when posting instead of just doing it from the lists. 

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 6:42 PM ET
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But removing the book from there removes it's swap history, the "footprint".  I like to keep mine there and have my bookshelf set on Posted Books Only.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 7:00 PM ET
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You can set your bookshelf "view" setting to see only posted books, if you want to keep the unposted books on there but not see them as you're looking through your shelf.

Diane

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:20 PM ET
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I don't pay any attention to the footprint.   I only want what I'm ready to send on the bookshelf.   Then there's no chance of me unholding something I am not ready to send..

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:57 PM ET
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I don't think it would be that easy to accidentally post from the Hold on your Bookshelf Mary. Its the normal posting process you have to go through, not just an Unhold.

The footprint is preserved when posting from the TBR and the TA also so removing it from the Hold on your Bookshelf won't remove that history.



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Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:59 PM ET
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I like the footprint feature, and so I keep them on the shelf.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 9:20 PM ET
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Fara and Emily-

You don't have to have the book on your shelf or TBR list at all for the footprint to stay with it - if a book is in your Transaction Archive, the footprint will be back with it if you ever post it - even the normal way.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 9:49 PM ET
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Hmm well a few times now people have come in here saying they unheld books on their shelves and all of these books are now on hold that they haven't read yet. Instead of just the ones they wanted to unhold.  So I'm guessing that it might not be that hard to accidentally do afterall. 

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 10:06 PM ET
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I only change the default setting if it's a book I'm giving away, or know for sure I will be keeping.  The footprint does not matter on those b/c I will not be reposting.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 10:18 PM ET
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What do you guys mean when you are talking about footprint?   

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 11:14 PM ET
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There is a little footprint that when you click on it, links you to the book's swap history.  It is also called the "passport" in some parts of the site.  It is a red circle with a little blue footprint on your bookshelf.

This is the history that also shows up on the Most Traveled Copies under Search.

Let's see if I can paste the image.    passport.png



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Date Posted: 3/13/2011 11:40 PM ET
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I have ad that happen to me where I marked unhold on my shelf and books that I had received, forgot to change e default so the were not on my shelf, ended up getting posted to people. So it is very easy and a big part of why I don't like that default personally. And the footprint is cool but I get so many books from games that the footprints don't work for me.
Date Posted: 3/14/2011 2:20 AM ET
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"I don't think it would be that easy to accidentally post from the Hold on your Bookshelf Mary. Its the normal posting process you have to go through, not just an Unhold."

Just wanted to confirm what Melanie posted.  I just posted a book directly from my bookshelf by taking it off hold.  When I did that, it took me through the normal posting process--asking me to confirm that I had the correct book and that the book was in good posting condition.

Date Posted: 3/14/2011 2:55 AM ET
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Footprint shows where the book has been.  Which can be one member, or a book could have traveled across the country several times.

Date Posted: 3/14/2011 11:00 PM ET
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Okay--Just wanted to post a follow up to my earlier post...last night when I posted a book by taking it off of hold on my bookshelf, the system took me to through the normal posting process--asking me to verify the ISBN and that the book was in postable condition.

Tonight, I posted another book by taking it off of hold on my bookshelf--and the system automatically posted it for me--I didn't have to go through the verification process at all, the book was automatically posted.

I'm pretty sure I did the same exact thing both last night and tonight.  Both of the books were wishlist books, so after posting, they immediately were added to the wishlist hold screen. Both books were received from PBS and added to my bookshelf on hold when I logged them in as received. I have absolutely no idea why one time the system took me through the verification process and the other it just automatically posted the book. 

Date Posted: 3/15/2011 12:21 PM ET
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I had no idea about the "footprint."  The little symbol was so tiny I didn't even see the little foot (old eyes I guess).  The system also calls it the "passport."   It's a mildly amusing feature. 

But I do want to point out that the footprint gets destroyed for free books you get in the book bazaar.

I also just want to say that I can identify a book now posted in my bookshelf that had definitely deleted while it was on hold. The "footprint" or "passport" shows multiple mailings. 

So don't be worried about deleting those books on hold in your bookshelf if you don't like it (I don't).

I get books from a lot of places.  I find it convenient to put every book that comes in the house on my TBR.  Therefore I don't need books on hold in the bookshelf to remind myself I have them.

I find the TBR database the most useful tool on this site.   I use the search features constantly.  I don't know what I would do without that TBR list.  Definitely buy the same book more than once.  But I also search on author a lot.  I also keep the list in order chronologically (decreasing) so that I can see immediately if I just bought a book from a thrift store or such that is on a wish list. 

The only thing that would make the TBR list more convenient is if it would show the number of books in the system.  The machinations of adding the book to the reminder list is not exactly handy but at least it's doable.

Date Posted: 3/15/2011 2:31 PM ET
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Yes Denise. I love the TBR pile and use it for all my TBR books.  Showign how many copies were in teh system on it would be awesome.  I think they don't show it because they don't want to discourage people from not posting books wiht a higher post count.