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Subject: I have some questions regarding price tags, tears and general posting rules
Date Posted: 10/16/2008 2:24 AM ET
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First, I have some books in mostly great (to good) condition with the exception of a small tear here or there (under a centimeter), or a price sticker on the cover, and some with writing on the top along the edges of the pages. Now personally I would accept all of these conditions and much worse. I don't personally care if half the cover is torn so long as I can read the story, but I know that would technically be considered not postable. So because my standards seem to be more lax than many others, I am curious if these books I have described would be considered postable?

 

Second, is there any place on here where people can post books technically considered unpostable for those of us who don't care about the books "prettiness"? I am a bit disappointed to find out that someone out there could have books I really want but they can't post them bacuse of a stupid tear or water mark. Does anyone know if a "damaged goods" section has already been suggested to the site owners, because if not, I would like to suggest it?

 

Thanks for your help!

Date Posted: 10/16/2008 2:34 AM ET
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Check out the Book Bazaar.  It's intimidating sometimes - I know.  But there's supposed to be a thread on available damaged books.  Also you can go to the genre of the books you want and post which ones you want.   Some people post their damaged and deals there.  There are rules about it - like you can only bump it up once a day.

To me all the conditions you cited are postable.  I've certainly gotten books with those conditions here.  The conditions are in the rules - someone more experienced and familiar with the rules can guide you to them.  They spell it out pretty specifically.  Water damage and stains are the biggest no-no's   -   with cleaved spines and pages falling out not too far behind.  Small tears and stickers on inside covers or not blocking text are allowed.  If the writing is only on the outside edges (when the book is closed) and doesn't bleed into the pages themselves - then it's allowed.  I think!  I'm more lax, too, but I know not to let people get away with the no-no's any more.  I have a hard time trying to detect stains (ones that are deep within the pages and small). They are now unpostable for me - why can't I find them when I'm checking them in?   I do check - but checking a 900 page book is impossible unless I'm reading it!  ;D

Ruth



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Date Posted: 10/16/2008 10:58 AM ET
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SIta - if you post in forums a good bit, you can put in your signature line something like "willing to accept books on my WL in almost any condition - PM me." Also, like Ruth said, check out the book bazaar. People post a lot of unpostables there, especially if they are WL.

Date Posted: 10/17/2008 12:43 AM ET
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Thanks for your suggestions. I will look around. I think I will also end up putting in a suggestion for a "damaged goods" sections as well.

 

If a person tried to order a book that had been listed as damaged, then there could be a pop up explaining the book they are requesting is damaged, and the poster could simply list the details of the damage. I am not suggesting ANY damage should be acceptable, but the requirements could be looser.

 

Kristina, I will use that signature suggestion if I do begin to post in the forum regularly, thank you.

Date Posted: 10/17/2008 9:03 AM ET
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I think it would help to read and REREAD the rules about postable conditions. If you are accurately describing the books they are all postable except the ones with watermarks/stains.  If you are confident that your posted books meet the rules for condition, you have every thing on your side if someone complains about a tiny tear or price sticker that is within the rules.  Returning a credit after a complaint is always up to the sender. If you *know* the book you sent was postable, and the requestor didn't have any RC, the complaint is hot air.   Naturally, it's possible to not notice something, so benefit of the doubt sometimes comes into play.

or, like someone else said -- post the books in the bazaar, in your sig, or on your profile

Date Posted: 10/17/2008 9:59 AM ET
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Here's the rules page - I'd just check whatever books you're concerned about with them: http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/help_item.php?id=205

Date Posted: 10/17/2008 10:27 AM ET
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Sita: in the games forum we have a Damaged Books Virtual Box going.  Check it out.  I've put a few unpostable WL books in there.  You deposit 2 credits which you get back when you don't want to do the box anymore.  Everyone deposits 2 books to start.  A random play list is generated. As people take their turn and remove books from the box, they replace them with others.  You get a PM when someone wants your book with their address.  So the box constantly changes and you can exchange unpostable books for other unpostable books.

Date Posted: 10/17/2008 10:47 AM ET
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Date Posted: 10/18/2008 4:21 AM ET
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Cindy,

While I understand your point of view, I don't think the system as is happily convenient for everyone.  You don't think you should have to deal with a bunch of pop ups and have to take the risks. I don't think I should have to go hunting through forum lists to get a book I want that I find perfectly acceptable. So who is right? Neither of course, there is only what matters for convenience and the pleasure of each individual. I see no reason that people with less stringent standards shouldn't be able to have the same conveniences that those who have stricter standards have. I also see no reason they cannot work together without getting in the way of one another. For instance, there is no reason that there couldn't be an option in your user settings saying "show me books marked as damaged". You could choose for these books to show up or not. It wouldn't upset the system you are used to that way, mean while those of us who at this point have to dig around, wouldn't have to.

 

Mary,

Thanks a bunch. I will have a look at that. I have a book that is on someones wish list but it has a half inch corner ripped off the cover. I was really frustrated by that. They may not want it, but I wish they at least had the option.



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Date Posted: 10/18/2008 9:15 AM ET
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Date Posted: 10/19/2008 3:16 AM ET
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree Cindy. No problem.

 

I feel your view is closed off, accepting what suits you and what you feel is the best system. Conveniently for you that happens to be the system they have, and my one suggestion is not likely to change anything. However, this website has a whole lot of people, and I see nothing wrong with trying to implement a system to fit all of them. As I said, there could be an option to "not see" books listed as damaged. I think that is fair to ALL members. Will some people accidently list books in the wrong section? Probably, to error is human. But that doesn't mean that the (likely) small number of times that would happen should close the doors to a convenience for a large number of members.

 

As for the torn book. Thanks for that info. I thought I had read the whole thing but either I missed that or was on the wrong page or something. Nonetheless, I have seen so many people complain in here about stuff that I feel could have been left to interpretation, the fact that it is an older book leaves me nervous. I simply don't want to have any problems. I will likely just write the person listing its condition and ask of they want to trade it for a credit.

 

No hard feelings Cindy. As I said, we will have to agree to disagree.

Date Posted: 10/19/2008 7:52 AM ET
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Let me just say that I have never had a problem with getting rid of unpostables on this site. Every time I've offered up my unpostables in the book bazaar (either for free or free with an order of another book) they have been snapped up. Usually within 5 minutes of posting!

In my opinion, finding a damaged book is just as easy as getting rid on one. I see many posts on the bazaar of people asking for a damaged copy of a certain book.

Sita--with all due respect, I think problems arise with some issues (such as an acceptable tear (less than 1 inch)) because people do PM. That sets up an expectation in some people's mind that any time a book isn't perfect (or in mint condition), that they should receive a PM to decide if they want it or not. I've read a lot of posts on the forums (by the person who was used to receiving PMs) that they didn't get a perfect copy. If your books meets posting guidelines, you don't need to return a credit, just refer the person to the Help center where it says your books meets conditions.

I think the philosophy of this site is simple and direct---books on member's shelves meet posting guidelines, so unless you are doing a deal, you have no need to PM or stress about what you're going to receive or send. And if you want something more---you have the option of RCs. I like simplicity in a site!

Date Posted: 10/19/2008 10:40 AM ET
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Sita, Since you've only been a member for 6 days, give the site a chance.  You may find that you like the system as is.  I use another swap site to list conditions of a book when they don't meet the book conditions guidelines here.  I find that I get more wishlist books (books which aren't as common) here on PBS, and that the credits I earn here are more valuable than on the other site.  I list some of my unpostables in my profile or my signature line as part of incentive deals. 



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Date Posted: 10/19/2008 12:02 PM ET
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Nonetheless, I have seen so many people complain in here about stuff that I feel could have been left to interpretation, the fact that it is an older book leaves me nervous. I simply don't want to have any problems. I will likely just write the person listing its condition and ask of they want to trade it for a credit.

You can certainly PM if that makes you happy, but you'll have to decide what to do if the person doesn't respond back by the time you have to mail the book. Will you mail it or not if you don't hear back and the book has to be mailed or you lose the order?

But even under the changes you want, you'd still be in this situation. Since the book you have is postable by site guidelines you wouldn't list it on the 'damaged' list, so the person who ordered it still wouldn't know about the tear unless you PM'd them. So this situation would work out exactly the same, with you deciding if you wanted to PM the receiver or not, and still have to meet the mailing deadline.