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Subject: Quick question
Date Posted: 1/10/2012 2:53 AM ET
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I recently posted and mailed a book in which the isbn number on it has it listed as "large print". The receiver got it and marked it as having a problem- not being large print. Granted, it wasn't the largest print I've seen in a book but it was larger then normal sized print for a hardback. I'm at a lose as what to do, it's not like I pulled a random isbn number out for it. Any thoughts?

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 8:10 AM ET
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As I see it, you did nothing wrong as long as you listed it under the proper ISBN. I think it is up to the requester to contact the Team to take issue with the fact that they do not think it is large print.

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 10:27 AM ET
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So if I understand correctly, you posted a book and the listing on PBS said large print. You mailed the book and the person marked it RWAP because the book you sent wasn't large print.

Granted, it wasn't the largest print I've seen in a book but it was larger then normal sized print for a hardback.

This tells me you are not sure whether the book you sent was large print of not. What do you mean by 'larger than normal size?' Large Print is at least 16 points in size. See below for example of 16 pts:

This is 16 pt. Was the type in the book at least this big?

If the point size wasn't that big, then the book you sent wasn't Large Print and the person is right in having it marked received with a problem.

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 10:31 AM ET
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As I see it, you did nothing wrong as long as you listed it under the proper ISBN.

If the listing says Large Print, the sender must make sure that the book they are sending is also large print (I can't tell by his description whether the book really was LP.)

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Date Posted: 1/10/2012 10:32 AM ET
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The help doc "Solutions to common Book Posting Problems" has instructions on how to post a book without an ISBN if the listing says Large Print but your book is not a large print book. A Large Print book should have those words on the cover, so if yours didn't, it probably wasn't.

The help doc "There is a problem with a book I received!" instructs the recipient to mark the book received with a problem (wrong book - wrong binding or version) if it's not large print and the listing says it is.

If you are not certain that your book really was a large print book, and the person who has it now is telling you it's not large print, then I think you should refund the credit.

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 11:26 AM ET
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I will refund the credit and told them I would. I was more concerned with reposting, evidently they have the wrong ISBN published on it. So, from what I understand, I need to find an ISBN number for a hardback version of that book and ignore the warning before I commit that asks if these numbers aren't on your book you're posting the wrong one (or something to that effect).

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 11:38 AM ET
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Please don't ignore the warning! You would need to post it without an ISBN. From the Help Center:

 

 

Problem: Title on the Listing Preview includes the words "Large Print" and your book is regular-font (NOT Large Print):

Explanation: This means that the publisher assigned the same ISBN to (at least) two different versions of the book.   At PBS, because each ISBN can be attached to only ONE version of a book, if you have the "other " version you need to enter it as if it does not have an ISBN.

Solution: Post this book with a customized listing for the book, using the Post Books without an ISBN link on the Post Books page, so that your book isnot listed as Large Print if it is not Large Print.

 
Date Posted: 1/10/2012 12:01 PM ET
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Okay, I'll do that then, thank you for the advice!

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 1:30 PM ET
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A tough one David, because the publishing industry does not seem to have industry standards for large print books and how they are noted in databases. 

From comments I've seen in the forums, it appears the PBS data edit volunteers spend alot of time attempting to manage Large Print data.

The entire situation can be frustrating for everyone.  PBS requesters often do much research to make sure they are requesting large print books, only to find out that the publishers have used the ISBN for both regular print and LP, or the industry database is incorrect, or members have posted incorrectly.  Then you as a sender, post to what appears to be the correct ISBN...see, frustrating.



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Date Posted: 1/10/2012 1:37 PM ET
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The Large Print issue is a very tangled one.  There are Larger Print books, which have a smaller Large font.  And then there are Large Print books with a larger font.  Then there are a bunch of YA that are being issued in a large font (but not Large Print) so the publisher does not need to reissue them in Large Print. 

I do not envy the book data volunteers.   Or folks trying to decide if a book is LP or not before posting.

Date Posted: 1/10/2012 7:02 PM ET
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There is also something I ran into once, Book Club Edition Large Print. It used the Large Print ISBN, said "Large Print" on the cover and title page, but it wasn't a full 16 pt font - it was more like 14 or 15 (Maybe because the book itself was slightly smaller than a regular hardcover?) I had no idea this wasn't a "real" Large Print book, and I felt stupid when the receiver questioned it. Leave it to me to mix together two really difficult topics when it comes to posting - Large Print AND Book Club Editions! ETA - Maybe this is what David had, since the print was larger than normal but not "the largest print I've seen in a book."

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Date Posted: 1/10/2012 8:48 PM ET
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I know you already got the info you needed and have resolved the situation, David, and you got lots of good info up above.  Just wanted to put in my two cents worth.

The publishing industry standard is that only 16 pt font or above should be called "Large Print', as D.G. said.  Most true large print books will use the term "large print" somewhere on the cover, or on the title or publisher's page.  If instead they call is "larger print", it means it's under 16 pts.  And it's possible that if it says "large type" that that's different from "large print."  Someone else can enlighten us on that.

When we post  a book that's designated as "large print" here at PBS, this message comes up in a red box:

This book is listed in the database as Large Print (16-point font size). If your book is NOT Large Print, you cannot use this listing to post your book.

On the book's listing page, underneath the book type, it says "Large Print: Yes."

In addition, members who are interested in Large Print books, or who volunteer to edit book date, try to add "Large Print" in parentheses to the title line.

I had no idea before volunteering here that "large print" had a specific definition, but it makes sense.  If you can only read type if it's above a certain size, then you want to know that it's at least that size before ordering a book.  Anything below that size can make the book unusable for a reader, so the site has taken pains to program in the Large Print designation and make it clear that its important when we post  book.

It's true that sometimes a publisher will reuse an ISBN for two different editions.  Michelle quoted from the help doc that deals with that issue.  Fortunately, we have the option of posting our book without an ISBN if it doesn't match the listing.

 

 

Date Posted: 1/11/2012 2:36 AM ET
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Thanks again, I'll double check next time it come up as large print. This was the book and matching ISBNs so you can see where I went horribly wrong, lol:

http://www.paperbackswap.com/Cold-River-Large-Carla-Neggers/book/1615238018/

Date Posted: 1/11/2012 3:45 AM ET
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David, thanks for the link to your book. I clicked on the Amazon button there and nothing showed up. So, I went to the Amazon site and pasted the ISBN # there and this is what came up - http://www.amazon.com/Cold-River-Carla-Neggers/dp/1410419932/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326271099&sr=1-1   -- doesn't look like there is a Large Print edition of this book.

It shows up as a Hardcover with regular font, so it looks like your post was correct and the PBS page is wrong. If I'm right then this will continue to happen when other members post this book and they will get RWAPed as well. Looks like a case for the editing team to look into. They have many other resources to check and since this is a wishlist book with wishers it can be corrected.

 



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Date Posted: 1/11/2012 9:17 AM ET
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If you go to the details in the Amazon link you provided, it says it's a Lrg edition (whatever that means.) Could it be that the book is one of those like Patty mentioned above where it's not necessarily LP but the font size is larger than usual?

Product Details

  • Hardcover: 507 pages
  • Publisher: Thorndike Press; Lrg edition (November 2009)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1615238018
  • ISBN-13: 978-1410419934
Date Posted: 1/11/2012 10:21 AM ET
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D.G., you went down further on the page than I did, sorry about that. Could that Lrg edition mean larger than regular font but not Large Print? Publishing companies like to confuse us, lol. Thought Thorndike Press usually publishes Large Print, but who knows anymore.

Date Posted: 1/11/2012 11:33 AM ET
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I also looked at the book edit page, and everything there indicates that it should be a LP book - LP in title, marked LP, #pages (507 - usually indicates that the book is larger than the normal 400 or so pages).  The only thing that doesn't indicate LP is that it's not indicated on the cover.  However, having said that I have 7 LP books on my BS and only one states on the front cover that it's LP, but all of them state on the spine that they're LP and most also have it on the back cover.  Good luck. Pat

Date Posted: 1/11/2012 2:58 PM ET
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I thought Thorndike Press only did LP.
Date Posted: 1/11/2012 3:24 PM ET
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I didn't know that.:)

According to their website, it seems all the books they publish are LP.

Date Posted: 1/11/2012 4:47 PM ET
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 It used the Large Print ISBN, said "Large Print" on the cover and title page, but it wasn't a full 16 pt font - it was more like 14 or 15 (Maybe because the book itself was slightly smaller than a regular hardcover?) I had no idea this wasn't a "real" Large Print book, and I felt stupid when the receiver questioned it. 

I don't know why you would feel stupid Nicole. I certainly would not question a book labeled Large Print, with a large font, and posting correctly to the ISBN. I would guess only someone who reads a lot of LP books or someone with it open next to a 16pt book would catch it.