Discussion Forums - Questions about PaperBackSwap Questions about PaperBackSwap

Topic: Is this RC to difficult to understand?

Club rule - Please, if you cannot be courteous and respectful, do not post in this forum.
Page:   Unlock Forum posting with Annual Membership.
Subject: Is this RC to difficult to understand?
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 3:11 PM ET
Member Since: 4/30/2012
Posts: 127
Back To Top

I have but one RC and that is "Hardback books must have the dust jacket if it is supposed to have one".   I'm just funny that way.

I just got denied a requested book. The senders reason......This book is not a hardback. Grrr! angry

Date Posted: 11/15/2015 3:46 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

Well, my suggestion would be to remove paperbacks from autorequest and remove the RC prior to accepting the book. That would delete any RC and your request would have gone through. After your request was processed , reinstate your RC. Many, myself included, will decline all RCs. 



Last Edited on: 11/15/15 3:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 3:47 PM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2013
Posts: 61
Back To Top

No, your RC is not at all hard to understand.  But the person who denied the request IS hard to understand.

Date Posted: 11/15/2015 3:50 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

Not hard to understand. RCs can be a flag for a problem transaction and some just do not want problems.Seems the onus is on the requester to have the RC be applicable or remove it.



Last Edited on: 11/15/15 5:32 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 4:39 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
Posts: 9,788
Back To Top

This is how I word mine and I don't get that reason for a refusal anymore. In fact, I get very few refusals. It doesn't matter how easy it is to read and understand, unless you specifically mention paperbacks in your RC you will get the people who don't understand it.

 

If the book is hardcover, I would like it to have the dustjacket. If the dustjacket is old, worn, or torn, this is OK.

If the book is a hardcover and has an illustrated cover but not a dustjacket, this is OK.

If the book is paperback, I have no special conditions.

Thanks very much!



Last Edited on: 11/15/15 4:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 4:47 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

How does that clarify anything:? Old and worn with DJ is ok and illustrated with no DJ is OK. Talk about confusing. If you are requesting paperbacks then remove RC relating to DJ or expect to be declined.

It is not a comprehension issue. Many do not want to transact with RCs.



Last Edited on: 11/15/15 4:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 5:01 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

Just checked out your wish list and it seems the majority are paperbaks. So why not do the reverse and put hardbacks on non auto and apply your conditions to the hardcovers as needed?



Last Edited on: 11/15/15 5:34 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 11/15/2015 8:46 PM ET
Member Since: 2/13/2007
Posts: 2,270
Back To Top

I think Sara's wording is very clear and concise, in other words, an ideal solution. But let's face it, some people will turn down an RC no matter how you word it because they see an RC as a license to complain about a book. It's the risk you take when you have an RC.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 7:43 AM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
Posts: 8,837
Back To Top

Nope Janet, easy to understand and very reasonable.  Some folks just don't read rc's but many do so I think you're ok with that RC.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 9:47 AM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
Posts: 4,979
Back To Top

Understand Janet and Sara's RCs just fine.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 11:29 AM ET
Member Since: 7/24/2005
Posts: 54
Back To Top

Your RC is extremely clear. I like Sara's wording, though, because in addition to being clear it's friendly and expresses that she's not super picky, just wants a dust jacket.

I don't think you should have to go to the extra effort of removing the RC every time you request a paperback. If people are spooked by such a straightforward RC, that's unfortunate but it will be rare.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 12:12 PM ET
Member Since: 3/25/2014
Posts: 2,793
Back To Top

Janet, you can try what I do.   

My steps for orders and offers.

1.  Click pm button to find out who the sender is and look at their wl and shelf, profile, bulletin board.  Basically, I try to learn about them and pickup  vibes.  

2.  Decide to keep or turn off RC.

3.  Accept offer

4.  Decide to pm the member to chat and explain I do not want a book that smells like smoke.  Sometimes I pm, sometimes I don't, I go by my instincts each time.

All of this may sound like a lot of unnecessary work or you should not have to but it's a quick process for me.  I have received good positive feedback from people.  

 

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 4:46 PM ET
Member Since: 2/26/2013
Posts: 741
Back To Top

Well, don't get too upset.  My RC is "no books that are currently in a home with smokers."  Someone denied a request with the reason: 'this is a used book.'  Didn't make any sense to me, but hey...

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 5:13 PM ET
Member Since: 4/30/2012
Posts: 127
Back To Top

Yes, I understand some are reluctant to send any book to someone with an RC, but this one just didn't make sense to me. Did she think I wouldn't accept it because it was not a hardback with a dust jacket, even though the ISBN I was requesting clearly was for the paperback version? Who knows.

I always do go to the senders shelf just to see if they have anything else I'd like. I don't even remember who it was that was offering the book, so I can't contac them. This is a first for this to happen, so I'm hoping it was just a misinterpretation on their part.

Is it possible to turn off the RC on one book, or when you turn it off it's off on all your books? I've never messed with that, so not sure how that works.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 6:04 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

If the RC would not apply,then turn off RCs before accepting a book and then turn them back on.This is assuming your paperback books are not on auto. If they are you need to remove them from auto so you can turn off RC prior to accepting.

  • Use the "Yes/No" option above the text box in that area of your Account Settings to do this
  • Click Update Request Settings each time to apply the change
  • Choosing No will preserve your text but not show your conditions on any requests you make while the option "No" is chosen.
  • When you toggle back to Yes and click to Update settings again, your Requestor Conditions will again be shown on all subsequent requests.
  • This is useful if you are requesting books for someone else who does not have the same requirements  (ie, as a gift for a friend who is NOT allergic to dogs, while your requestor conditions say that you can't receive books from a household with a dog).
  • This is also useful if your Requestor Conditions apply only to specific books (or specific categories of books).
    • Please note that any book you have set to auto-request on your Wish List will be submitted automatically with the Requestor Conditions you have active on your account.  If your Requestor Conditions are not active when an auto-requested Wish List book becomes available, the request will go through without conditions on it.


Last Edited on: 11/16/15 6:28 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/16/2015 6:31 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
Posts: 15,187
Back To Top

Clarify in your RC that it only applies to hardcover books, not paperbacks and it will be fine. People who deny it are just going to deny any RC. I have a similar RC and I am fine with that. They can send their book with bad mojo somewhere else laugh 

I think mine is worded something close to:

If this is a paperback book, I have no other RCs, please send it.

If this is a hardcover book, I'd like the dust jacket.

 

I don't turn my RC on and off for paperback vs hardcover because thats just not practical for large wish lists when all someone has to do read the RC to know that an RC for a dust jacket doesn't apply to a paperback book. It caused zero trouble for a sender to send a paperback book to someone who has a dust jacket RC because it doesn't apply. NOTHING a requester can do to a sender to make them return a credit on an RC that doesn't apply to them.

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 9:41 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2008
Posts: 763
Back To Top

I thought the point of the question was to find out how to avoid being declined because of RCs. If it is not worth the effort and there is no concern about if a request is accepted - fine. It is really not about comprehension of RCs but about their being RCs. If it is troubling to be declined remove them if they do not apply. If you do not care then do not. 

 People who deny it are just going to deny any RC

Exactly correct!  If you care address it and if not, don't. 

Date Posted: 11/16/2015 9:55 PM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
Posts: 8,837
Back To Top

If a dj is important to her, then keep it. Many folks won't decline an RC, sure some do but some don't..a dj is such an easy rc to fulfill too.

Date Posted: 11/17/2015 8:12 AM ET
Member Since: 11/14/2005
Posts: 1,442
Back To Top

For those who use the RC that says "no books from a currently  smoking home", what would you do if the book came smelling like smoke? I've grappled myself with the smoking RC, and decided to go with one that specifically mentions smoke-smelling books.  Would it be fair to mark a book as RWAP if someone who lives in a non-smoking home sent a book  that smelled like smoke?  They're complying with the RC, to the letter right?  I hope this posting doesn't sound judgemental, I'm not trying to be.  Just want to clarify my own confusion since my allargies prevent me from even having a smoke-smelling book in my house.

Date Posted: 11/17/2015 10:20 AM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
Posts: 9,788
Back To Top

I do not turn my RC on and off.

There is no reason to. I do not get crazy refusals. I know that people think that lots of members just decline RCs. But actually,  there are very, very few members who just deny all RCs. Although they seem to be prominent in the forums.

Most  members do not auto decline RCs. I've ordered more than 1500 books and I've had maybe 5 or 6 "no reason or crazy reason" refusals.

Date Posted: 11/17/2015 10:22 AM ET
Member Since: 2/26/2006
Posts: 34,942
Back To Top

I just received this request with these RC's:

I have no conditions for paperbacks. For Hardcovers I need the dustcovers if the book was originally sold with one. Thank you.

Clear and concise

Date Posted: 11/17/2015 11:35 AM ET
Member Since: 2/13/2007
Posts: 2,270
Back To Top

Debbie B: In a case like yours you cannot fault the sender for sending a smoky book because they did comply with your RC. You cannot penalize a member who might have passed on a smoky book despite coming from a smoke-free home. Some of us do not have the best sniffers and they might not have been aware that it was smoky. If allergies are an issue, then I would not go with the "currently in a smoking home" RC but one that details the fact that you are allergic to smoke. Yes, you will get lots of turn downs but you also won't receive smoky books by accident. I personally will turn down any request asking me to sniff the book for smoke because it is so subjective but if someone is asking for a book that I know I bought new and no one smokes in my house, I would send it without hesitation. It's the books that I don't know the history of, and don't trust my sense of smell to be sensitive enough.



Last Edited on: 11/17/15 11:36 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/17/2015 5:07 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
Posts: 9,788
Back To Top

I don't have an RC about smoke.  I have also found smoky books to be very,  very rare at PBS. So,  if you are deciding on a smoke RC, you need to weigh the possible turn downs you may get on your book requests against the likelihood of getting a smoky book.  For me,  they are very rare, so if I was allergic to smoke I would just eat the credit,  because I think that I would get more turndown than smoky books.

Date Posted: 11/17/2015 5:18 PM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
Posts: 8,837
Back To Top

I have no RC's and have never received a smoky smelling book..I did try a deal in the book bazaar (non wled books) and that box was pretty yucky but it goes along with if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.



Last Edited on: 11/17/15 5:19 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/18/2015 9:14 AM ET
Member Since: 6/20/2007
Posts: 4,979
Back To Top

I don't have an RC about smoke.  I have also found smoky books to be very,  very rare at PBS. So,  if you are deciding on a smoke RC, you need to weigh the possible turn downs you may get on your book requests against the likelihood of getting a smoky book.  For me,  they are very rare, so if I was allergic to smoke I would just eat the credit,  because I think that I would get more turndown than smoky books.

This could've been written by me. I think I've gotten 3 smoky books in my entire time here. IMHO it's not worth the turndowns I'd get for having an RC. I'm asthmatic, as are my kids, with tobacco smoke being our biggest trigger, and even so, these smoky books never caused us any issue. I put them in a brown paper shopping bag filled with crumpled up newspaper and leave that in the garage for a few weeks and the smoke smell dissipates--to the point where eventually I can't even tell it was smoky to begin with--and I have a pretty sensitive sense of smell.

 
Page: