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Subject: RC Question
Date Posted: 1/30/2012 11:45 AM ET
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Are extra materials that come with a book (things like cards, a map, a CD) that are not considered essential to the reading of the book by PBS standards protected by an RC if the sender ignores it? 

I haven't seen this discussed before, usually it's about smoke smells or something regarding the book condition itself.

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 12:21 PM ET
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It depends on the kind of supplementary materials. CDs/DVDs are considered media (I assume maps would be too...not sure what you mean about 'cards'), and they must be included with the book regardless of whether or not you have an RC. These are covered by the posting rules (see below, highlighting is mine), so you wouldn't need an RC and can RWAP. If on top of that you had an RC requesting that book must have a CD, etc. then you can RWAP on that too but again, that's covered by the rules.

Non-Media materials are a bit trickier. If they are required to read the book, then they aren't allowed to be posted so having an RC wouldn't help. If the non-Media materials are not required but you still want them, then I'm not sure how that would work RC-wise because then the person cannot use Media Mail to ship and I don't know that an RC can go as far as that.

Supplementary/Accompanying Materials:

  • Books that originally came with supplementary Media materials may be posted -  the supplementary Media materials MUST be included.

    • supplementary Media materials include CD(s)/CD-ROMs/DVD(s)/VHS tape(s)
    • if the book originally included supplementary Media materials, the supplementary materials must accompany the book for the book to be postable.
    • The supplementary materials cannot be posted alone - both the book and the supplementary media must be included in the posting.  
    • These combination listings are valued at 1 credit.
  • Books that require non-Media supplementary materials MAY NOT be posted

    • an example would be a book that requires a decoder or craft materials
    • these items cannot be sent MediaMail
    • These items cannot be posted here - because a used book cannot be expected to have original accompanying NON-media items, and if the book is not usable without the non-media items, the book must not be posted.
  • Books that originally had accompanying non-Media materials that are not required to read the book (ie, jewelry) MAY be posted.
    • The extra material does not have to be included, and if it is included, the book must not be sent using Media mail rate.
    • Since this is a used-book swap, members should not expect to receive non-Media items with their books.
Date Posted: 1/30/2012 12:55 PM ET
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Yes, I meant media items (not jewelry or craft materials).  I was under the impression that accompanying supplementary items were not required with books and thought I'd need an RC for it.   

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 12:58 PM ET
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A word on maps, they need to be included as well if they came with the book.  If they are meant to be detachable, they can be detached, but must still be included.  From the "Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS" :

"for travel guide books - maps if designed to be detachable may be detached, but must be included."

It sounds as though you have a specific situation in mind, brightstar -- providing some additional details (without identifying the other member) would help us to provide a clearer answer.

 

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 1:01 PM ET
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D.G. pretty much covered it.

Non-media materials can't be included because they can't be sent using media mail.  An RC requiring someone to include non-media materials -- which aren't postable on this site -- doesn't seem right to me.

But if someone had an RC requiring non-media materials to be included and the sender was not going to include them, the sender should not click that he can meet the requestor condition.  If he clicks he can meet the condition, then he should send it first class, I guess, with the non-media material.

If I received an RC like that, I might ask the Admin Team whether it is okay to have an RC requiring non-media material, but I would also decline the RC.

In your examples, cards are non-media materials. (The Post Office doesn't allow them to be mailed at the media mail rate.) But a map or CD is media material.  If it came with the book, it has to be included whether the sender thinks it is essential or not. (See the part D.G. highlighted in yellow.)

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 1:04 PM ET
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If you have a specific item in mind, you may want to write an RC about it anyway, in case the sender got it second hand and doesn't realize it is supposed to come with a map/CD/whatever.

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 1:56 PM ET
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There is a series of teen books (and I'm not sure which one) either Chronicles of Vladimir Tod or The 39 Steps that had cards in a pocket in the front of the book.  I don't believe the card was necessary to read the book, but was for playing some game.  I ordered these for my grandson, and some of the books came with the card and some didn't.  Pat

Date Posted: 1/30/2012 4:16 PM ET
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"If you have a specific item in mind, you may want to write an RC about it anyway, in case the sender got it second hand and doesn't realize it is supposed to come with a map/CD/whatever."

Good idea and D. J.'s info covered it for me.   :)

I've sent out Yoga kits that included cards but also had a book and CD.  The cards were important because the book didn't have illustrations for the positions. When you're on the floor, cards are easier to lay out and manipulate than a book. 



Last Edited on: 1/30/12 4:17 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/30/2012 4:34 PM ET
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What Beth recommended is a good idea just as an extra precaution. :)