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Subject: RWAP, correct?
Date Posted: 1/18/2011 9:19 PM ET
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A book came in today and by the looks of this pics, would you agree I should mark it RWAP?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63233114@N00/5368942412/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63233114@N00/5368941978/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63233114@N00/5368332167/in/photostream/

 

Date Posted: 1/18/2011 9:39 PM ET
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Sorry, I can't really tell from the photos if that is staining or dust smudges.

If it's not from liquid, I personally might be inclined to chalk it up to shelf-wear and use my handy-dandy super-fine sandpaper to buff the smudges off.

I've seen books that were left upright on a shelf for a long time accumulate dust bunnies on the page edges. Once you touch them, the dust just kinda smears into grey stains.

And even though the rules state "no stains" I try to take into account that the book may be old, or it's been handled a lot. Normal wear-and-tear doesn't get me upset as much as something blatant. Like big splatters of coffee on the cover or a book that was obviously dropped in the toilet.



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Date Posted: 1/18/2011 9:39 PM ET
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Is it just dirt on the page edges? Techncally books are not supposed to be soiled, so you could mark it RWAP.

If it were me, I would probably clean it up myself and not mark it though. I have really good luck with sandpaper for the edges of books, it takes dirt right off and on most books, you can't even tell that anythng has been done to them. (When I first heard of this I was skeptical because I thought the sandpaper would tear up the page edges, but it really doesn't.) Of course, that presumes that the dirt was not wet enough to penetrate further into the book than just the edges. In the pics, it just looks like the edges, but you have the book!

So, IMO, you could go either way on that one. Depends on whether or not you are up to attempting a cleanup.

 

Date Posted: 1/18/2011 9:51 PM ET
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Up until the last pic I thought sandpaper would take care of it, but the last one looks like the soil is too ground into the corner to get it all out. I'd probably try to clean it up first, but if its not just the surface, but ground in it would break the "not soiled" guideline and a RWAP would be warranted.  It looks to be a very dirty book and if I didn't RWAP it I'd still let them know that the rules state no soiling and some members would not attempt to clean it up on their own.

Date Posted: 1/18/2011 9:57 PM ET
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It looks to me like the pictures are concealing more than they are showing.

Date Posted: 1/18/2011 11:36 PM ET
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Looks like just dark scuffs along the edges. If they don't continue onto any face of the pages, I personally wouldn't RWAP.

Date Posted: 1/18/2011 11:52 PM ET
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Used books often become smudgy on the edges, comes from being handled frequently.  Pics can be difficult for this one so you will have to decide when smudges cross the line into stains. 

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 1:04 AM ET
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i tried to erase some of the marks and some of it won't come off. usually if there's any markings on the edges of books i have, i don't post them because i worry about a RWAP. personally, i don't feel all that comfortable posting this again after i've read it.  yes, it looks like it's been read, but well, i'll mark it RWAP and see what happens.

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 2:16 AM ET
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personally I see this as shelf wear, and wouldn't RWAP it.

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 6:28 AM ET
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It looks like a well used book with shelf wear to me.

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 8:59 AM ET
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Unless it's mold, I wouldn't mark it RWAP.  It seems to be shelf wear.  If seeps more into the pages, that might be a bit different.  But if it's just on the outside like that, I wouldn't RWAP it.

 

Kellie

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 11:07 AM ET
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Looks like shelf wear and a bit of rough handling. I'd just mark it received and clean it up myself with sandpaper if possible.

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 11:19 AM ET
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Shelf wear and I would try a magic eraser. I did not pick up on the problem right away, I had to go back and really look.

Date Posted: 1/19/2011 11:23 AM ET
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Well used book for sure. I would'nt RWAP it.

-RD

Date Posted: 1/20/2011 10:56 AM ET
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whelp, i marked it RWAP, however after everyone's thoughts on the condition of the book, I wish I didn't mark it. It's just I've never received a book like this so I can't take my RWAP back. I'd rather keep it. I feel like a pain!!!

The sender sent this response ... "That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would however like the book back because I didn't think it was bad. Someone sent it to me like that and I'm sure someone else would be ok receiving the book.

Return the book and I will return the credit."

How should I respond without being a butt? I don't want to come off like I was looking to change my mind and stuff.  Plus, we can't send books back unless the sender returns a credit anyway ...

Date Posted: 1/20/2011 11:00 AM ET
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I would tell her that you would be glad to return the book, when she gives you a credit to cover postage.  Not return book and then get credit, but the credit up front.  I'm pretty sure the PBS rules cover this. 

-RD

Date Posted: 1/20/2011 11:04 AM ET
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Arg to the "I got it that way" response.angry Don'f feel bad about marking it RWAP. You are the only one with the book in your hands and can truly see the damage.

I disagree with the consensus that it looks like shelfwear myself - the corner of that book looks like it has been ground in the dirt. Shelf wear is not dirt to me, its rubs and dings. The site specifically says "not soiled" so if it IS dirt and you can't get it off like you said, I think your RWAP is perfectly warranted. If people have books that they think people will want, but don't quite meet the guidelines they can take it to the Bazaar.

The site says that a problem book does not have to be returned and if she wants it back she should be sending funds or an additional credit to cover postage. You don't HAVE to ask for your credit back on a RWAP, but you are certainly welcome to. If you want it because you can't swap the book again, stand your ground. If you want to just end it, tell her you don't want the credit, you'll just eat it and retire the book from the PBS system so no one else has to be disappointed in getting a dirty book.