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Subject: Is this RWAP?
Date Posted: 11/9/2008 4:09 PM ET
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Well... here we go again! Many times I get books that are questionable and that I'm not willing to repost but I let it go and don't mark it RWAP. This last one I delt with has not gone well and I didn't get my credit back and seriously doubt I'll ever see it.

Today I got another really questionable book and thinking I should maybe mark it RWAP but want your opinion. You can view the pictures here http://picasaweb.google.com/teacherswife/DamagedBook#

It seems like this book was glued back together as it must have been falling apart. There also may be some slight water damage as there's also a couple of wavy pages. Please advise.

Thanks so much!



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Date Posted: 11/9/2008 4:13 PM ET
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The pictures aren't very clear. But one that seemed pretty clear looked like it was unpostable to me.  Like the pages were coming loose.  I find unpostables seem to come in spurts. I won't get one for a long time then I'll get a couple close together.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 4:28 PM ET
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Definitely unpostable. RWAP. Man, Tiffanie, you're having a run of bad luck with books lately aren't you!

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 4:43 PM ET
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Looks RWAP to me.

Just one question. How did you get that book today? Does the USPS make exceptions for you? :P

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 4:59 PM ET
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HAHAHA. Well, I just checked the mail today. I hadn't checked it since Thursday. Our HOA uses those big metal boxes so we don't have mailboxes in front of each place. My mailbox is on the other side of the development so I don't always check it each day.

I do think the pages were coming out but that they were glued back in. I'm not sure if that's acceptable? A book that was falling apart but you glued it back together? I guess that's why I'm confused if it should be RWAP or not. I'm not clear on the rules about fixing books.

Yeah, I am having a bit of a run of bad luck but I have to say, I also get some books that are like brand spankin' new! Can't complain too much! :) I can't believe I'm going to have to reorder that other book (the one where the guy won't give me my credit back). This was one that I planned to have on my keeper shelf and wanted to do my own highlighting and notes and such in the book but it already has a  lot of underlining and writing in it so it's pretty useless to me, Grrrrr! Hopefully there is another one available!

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 5:00 PM ET
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Just one question. How did you get that book today? 

FYI - My Dad lives in Loma Linda CA.  They get mail on Sundays, but not Saturdays.  I guess they do make exceptions for him  :P

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 5:01 PM ET
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That's neat L.P.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 5:06 PM ET
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Loma Linda University and its Medical Center, Seventh-Day Adventist institutions, are located there.  Loma Linda is where there are so many Adventists that mail is delivered on Sundays, not Saturdays, their day of worship.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 5:30 PM ET
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Still wondering... if they glued the book back together is that acceptable or still RWAP?

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 6:03 PM ET
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Yeah, that's a question for sure - especially when it isn't done very well.  Your book looks like it has multiple problems.  With water damage I've learned to hold the book together so that I can see how the pages lay against each other when I'm not holding them tightly.  If any are wavy - especially if it's several pages that have the same wave configuration then I check those individual pages and most of the time if it's liquid damage the paper will have a stiffer texture or feel to it than the other flat pages.  The wave configuration is usually a sign of water damage all by itself, but can be humidity.  However, I think that if it were humidity all the pages would have a wave in them.

Ruth

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 6:45 PM ET
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Okie Dokie.. I've marked it RWAP, I hope this one goes better than the last one. :)

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 7:39 PM ET
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based on the spine and the torn page, I would definitely mark it as RWAP.   I'm sitting here shaking my head that someone would send out a book in that condition.  I hope that you get your credit back without any problems.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 8:15 PM ET
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When we lived in San Bernardino, we'd go to Loma Linda on Sunday to mail packages.  LOL. Pat

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 9:49 PM ET
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And talking of glued books - IMHO, if it's done well, it shouldn't be RWAP. I remember my grandmother used to fix a bunch of library books when I read junior paperbacks, which weren't always treated well. She knew how to fix them so they looked like new.

ETA: Tiffany - I just read THe Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time and I loved it!



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Date Posted: 11/12/2008 10:27 AM ET
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Kristina,

I imagine if it was a good glue job (looking new after) that you wouldn't be able to tell (like the pics I have on this book)

I'm glad to hear you liked it! I'm looking forward to reading it, not sure if I'll pick it up next or what I will do. I'm still readind the huge HB The Story of Edgar Sawtelle. It's a really good book but it's big and heavy and so I don't pick it up as much as I would like. I've also finished a couple of MMPs while reading this. I think I may stick to small PBs while I finish Sawtelle so it's something I can carry with me in my purse. I need to spend more time on the Sawtelle book!!! In fact... I think I'll go read some now hehe

Date Posted: 11/12/2008 10:28 AM ET
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I also may order a different copy cause I'm scared this one might fall apart while reading it.. I dunno.

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Date Posted: 11/12/2008 11:18 AM ET
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If the repair is done well, I would think that the book would be postable.  You wouldn't see the spine, you'd be able to access all the pages, and it's likely that no-one would even be able to tell/see the repair.  I once fixed a book this way.  It wasn't easy, and it took patience. *grin*

However, this one you can clearly see the separation and see the binding/spine in several places.  That makes this an unpostable book, and should be RWAP.  (Wavy pages alone do not make a book unpostable, often caused by humidity as mentioned above.  Humidity waves are not water damage, which often leaves stains and stiff pages with an unusual feel to them.  Water damage makes a book unpostable, waviness alone does not.)



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Date Posted: 11/12/2008 11:39 AM ET
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Doing it well is the trick.  Wax paper inserted between pages while gluing should keep them from sticking together like that.  It also depend on what kind of glue they used.  I personally don't think anything but glue made especially for that purpose works very well.  For one thing, they don't stain or leave crusty spots on the paper, and for another, they remain flexible.  Elmer's or school type white glues tend to get somewhat brittle when they dry and that weakened area of the spine will just crack right back open again.  This is what I use: http://cgi.ebay.com/BRODART-ACID-FREE-BIND-ART-ADHESIVE-4-oz-Bookbinding_W0QQitemZ150281669976QQcmdZViewItem

*ETA: I bought it from ebay for less that $5.



Last Edited on: 11/12/08 11:45 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/13/2008 8:52 AM ET
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Tiffanie,

Any news?  Have you heard back?  I would have marked it RWAP as well as asked for my credit back.  For me, the key to determining whether a book I received is postable is to ask if "I" would be comfortable posting the book in question. 

Lauren

Date Posted: 11/13/2008 10:46 AM ET
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Lauren,

Still no response from this member, I'm giving her a couple more days and then marking it 'unresponsive' or whatever it is. This will be 2 RWAP within the last month without returned credits. Oh well.

Date Posted: 11/13/2008 11:05 AM ET
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When I receive a book that I know is not postable, I mark it RWAP.

When I am not certain whether a book I've received should be marked RWAP, I give the sender the benefit of the doubt. Depending on my mood, I may used the "thank you" box to say "I appreciate you sending me this book, but I was disappointed in the condition. It sat right on the line of acceptibility for me and I hope it is the worst condition of all the books you had posted. I am definitely the end of the line for this one!"

When I am not certain of whether a book I am preparing to list is postable, I don't. (With some occasional exception made for old wish list books--and then I PM.)

 

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 5:57 PM ET
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I had marked it unresponsive this morning and what do you know... a credit suddently appeared! :) Now if they would just send an email to a member when you mark a transaction unresolved, that would be great! The RWAP before this one that I marked unresolved never returned my credit. I'm grateful I at least got this one back.