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Subject: Readers copy
Date Posted: 2/14/2009 6:21 PM ET
Member Since: 5/30/2008
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I received a book yesterday in very poor condition. It was very old (1981), the book I requested said 2001. It was dirty, had water damage and the pages were literally falling out as I turned them. I notified paperbackswap that the book had a condition problem. The sender wrote me back and said he had notified me that the book was a "reader's copy" and not a "collectible". I thought by "reader's copy" he meant an advanced reader's copy, not a book in poor condition. It didnt bother me if it was an advanced readers copy, but a book that was only good to throw in the trash bothered me. He did offer that I could send the book back and he would refund my credit, but now I have to spend the extra money to do that. I should add that quite a few of the books I mail out are only once or twice read. I do buy quite a few books and I seldom keep a book when I'm done. If my books show very much wear they go in the donation box for the library book sale, but this book I would be embarrassed to donate to them.

Am I wrong about not understanding what 'readers' copy meant?

Date Posted: 2/14/2009 6:26 PM ET
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I would have thought the exact same thing...but, if it was an ARC the sender wouldn't have been allowed to post it for a credit. 

Remember, if the sender wants the book back then that person would have to give you 2 credits...1 for the postage and one for the book.

Date Posted: 2/14/2009 6:30 PM ET
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The book you received was "Unpostable". You should mark the book received with a problem. Then you should ask the member for your credit back. If you receive your credit back, you can mark the transaction "resolved". You do NOT have to return the copy to the sender with your own money. It states right in the Help Doc's that they have to send you money if they want the copy back. It's that simple. Good luck.

Date Posted: 2/14/2009 6:37 PM ET
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Thankyou. Could I ask where it is that you mark it resolved?

Date Posted: 2/14/2009 7:14 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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You just go into your transaction archive and by that transaction there'll be a Was This Problem Resolved button. 

Also just an FYI: if the ISBN matches then the publishing year doesn't have to match.  Many publishers reuse ISBN's when reissuing books.  PBS gets most of it's info from sites like Amazon so the picture might show the newest version-but the book you receive might actuall be an older version with the same ISBN. 

I know that doesn't apply to this book as the book was clearly unpostable.

Date Posted: 2/15/2009 12:45 AM ET
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Thanks Mary. The ISBN wasnt the biggest problem. All I really ask is that a book be in good enough condition to pass along to someone else, either someone here or a book sale donation. This book was only good for the garbage can.

Date Posted: 2/15/2009 1:11 AM ET
Member Since: 10/13/2007
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Korent-  the books MUST meet PBS rules no matter how lient your own views on books are since when someone sends out a book they are saying "this meets PBS posting rules" and if they dont then you need to mark it recieved with a problem.  so those that abuse the system get it marked on their accounts.

sorry you got a book like that, it should not have happened.

I agree a readers copy makes it sound like an ARC and not an unpostable.



Last Edited on: 2/15/09 1:11 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/15/2009 4:05 AM ET
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See I interpreted "reader's copy" as a book that is actually READ and passed along to other people (or trade here).  A "collectors copy" would be one that you want to keep on your shelf/library forever.

If the book was an ARC it would say something along the lines of "advanced reader copy (edition)", "not for resale", "uncorrected proof" somewhere on the cover.

Kate -
Date Posted: 2/15/2009 2:38 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 3/27/09 4:02 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 2/15/2009 2:56 PM ET
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Right - none of that 'reader's copy' miscommunication matters - the book was unpostable if pages are falling out and it's dirty and has water damage.

Date Posted: 2/15/2009 3:04 PM ET
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Thanks to all that replied.

Kate -
Date Posted: 2/15/2009 3:13 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 3/27/09 4:02 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/15/2009 4:09 PM ET
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I always write a clear PM to the sender stating exactly what the problem with the book is that makes it unpostable.  Then, I ask for my credit back.  I always keep it short and sweet and clear and to the point.  No accusations, just a statement of the problem and what I'd like the sender to do to resolve it.

The return of the book to the sender should NOT be a condition of getting your credit back.  PBS rules clearly say you don't have to return it, even if the other member is offering an additonal credit or postage to return it to them.

Calling something a "reader's copy" doesn't excuse sending out an unpostable book and wanting a credit for it.

Date Posted: 2/15/2009 5:45 PM ET
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Right - none of that 'reader's copy' miscommunication matters - the book was unpostable if pages are falling out and it's dirty and has water damage.

Absolutely. The book should never have been mailed in the condition that it was in, ARC or not.