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Subject: Received Booklet with ISBN; number of pages not disclosed
Date Posted: 8/14/2009 3:19 PM ET
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Yesterday I received a booklet (24 pages) that I expected to be a full-length book--I have several other books by the same author.  I was disappointed, but since the ISBN was correct, and the booklet was in postable condition, I marked it as received.   Today I found out that if a booklet has less than 50 pages (even if it has an ISBN) this information should be in the listing.  The number of pages is not in the PBS listing, nor is it in the Amazon listing.  Is there anything I can do at this point to get my credit back?  And if this situation happens again, how should I handle it?

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 4:21 PM ET
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I would check the Author too not just the ISBN. I had a similar situation and the Author did not match. I contacted the sender and we are to check before posting that the Author matches ISBN so I did get my credit back.

Blessings,

Jackie



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Date Posted: 8/14/2009 4:31 PM ET
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Also, Martha, it would be helpful if you submitted a data edit for that ISBN and provided the #pages so the PBS system will be updated and correct.  (To do this, click on the book details page, then on the right side click on the More Options button, and choose Edit Book Data link from the dropdown menu.)

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 5:14 PM ET
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Sianeka--I submitted a data edit.  Difficult to come up with a thickness for the book (less than a tenth of an inch) and weight is no more than an ounce.  Maybe this will prevent someone else in the future from being disappointed.  I'm not planning on reposting it because I don't believe it is the right thing to do.

Jacqueline--the author is correct.  Everything is as stated, except the fact that it is a booklet.

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 5:53 PM ET
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Marsha:

Why would you not post it after the data edit goes through showing the number of pages? If you wish to put a finer point on it, you could review the item along the lines of  "This booklet was interesting ...."

 

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 5:56 PM ET
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Tag it as well with the number of pages and it's not postable by PBS' rules and guidelines.  Tags are supposed to be helpful information to the membership.

Ruth

 

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 6:01 PM ET
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John--

I was so disappointed with the booklet that I wouldn't want someone else to be also.  The requestor may not notice the added information, especially since the cover of the booklet is in exactly the same style and format as the author's full length books.

My Golden Rule is I won't post a book that I would be disappointed to receive, even if it meets PBS standards.

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 6:06 PM ET
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Ruth--

From my reading of the rules, it's postable because it has an ISBN.  Actually, it's not really clear in the help doc I read.  It said non-ISBN booklets are not postable, but it doesn't say anything about ISBN booklets.  Maybe there are further rules elsewhere?

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 6:17 PM ET
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Ruth:

The item as received was not postable; once the number of pages are added to the description, it will be.

Marsha:

I am not in favor of "pawning off" the item. But, on the other hand, what if someone wants to spend a credit for it knowing it's 24 pages? I'd ask that you reconsider, assuming the person has read the description, and PM'ing them to confirm afterwards before sending it? I know I'm beating a dead horse on this issue, but I'd hate for someone to be wanting the item, but you refuse to post it because you were disappointed (because the pages weren't there, but will be now). I hope that made sense.

 

John

 

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 7:21 PM ET
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John--

I see your point, but I don't think anyone will want to spend a credit on it if they know what it is.  Maybe I'll offer it as a freebie when I post books in the same genre.  I don't want to go to the trouble to list it and PM'ing a requestor when I'm 99% sure they'll refuse it.

Thanks for your replies.  It's given me a chance to clarify in my mind what I want my personal book-swapping standards to be.

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 7:23 PM ET
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From "Is my book OK to post here?"  http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=booklet

(underline mine)

Pamphlets/Booklets/leaflets without ISBNs: NO

  • These sometimes contain advertising; members also complain at having to pay a credit for these.
  • Leaflets = non-children's books with less than 20 pages
  • Booklets = non-children's books with less than 50 pages
  • Leaflet/pamphlets/booklets with ISBNs may be posted
    • if so, the number of pages must be included in the item description.
  • Children's books do not count as booklets or leaflets, even if they are short. 
    • Children's books can be expected to have short pagelengths and the booklet/leaflet designations do not apply.

 

From "What can be swapped here"   http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=booklet

(underline mine)

Not allowed:

  • Anything that is not a book (this includes calendars, coloring books, blank journals)
  • Anything that contains advertising
  • Advance Reader Copies* (also known as ARC s, Review Copies or Uncorrected Proofs--these are not the final versions of books)
  • CD-ROM books/e-books (books that must be read on a computer)
  • Burned copies of audio books
  • Xerox or otherwise unoriginal copies of books
  • Unbound pages
  • leaflets or pamphlets or booklets** without ISBNs (other members complain at spending a credit for these)
  • Brochures/Promotional "first chapters" of books - these are not complete books, even if they have an ISBN
  • Books that require supplementary non-media materials (non-media materials cannot be sent by MediaMail)
  • Pornography (sex manuals and erotica are allowed, hardcore pornography is not allowed)

*ARCs may be swapped "unofficially" in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forums.  They may not be Posted to a PBS Bookshelf.

**A leaflet/pamphlet is an item with fewer than 20 pages; a booklet is an item with between 20 and 50 pages that is not a children's book. Children's books often have less than 50 pages and are not considered booklets just because of their short pagelength.

 

 



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Date Posted: 8/14/2009 9:43 PM ET
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I would still go tag those "books" with the number of pages that are less than acceptable so that others will see it.  Just tag them "not enough pages to be postable" or something similar.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 9:55 PM ET
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Without actually knowing what the booklet is about, I'd encourage you to edit the data, perhaps add something to the review, and post it. If you feel so inclined, go ahead and pm the member before shipping it. I say this because I spents months looking for a booklet as a gift for my dad. It was by an author that is know to write longer books, and this was a one-shot thing. He really, really wanted it to finish his collection. I had a really hard time finding it, then ended up paying a fair bit from a used book site (of course, this was before my PBS days).

So you never know -- one person's booklet could be another person's treasure!

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 1:51 AM ET
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Ruthy, if you tag a booklet that has an ISBN and the # of pages is listed as being "unpostable", you are using the tags incorrectly and myself along with I'm sure others will click it to be removed because it is incorrect. PBS flags the accounts of people that use the tags inappropriately, and it is possible that they could revoke your ability to use the tags or even give you a suspension or time-out.

Check out the Help Center, search the word tag and read the information on inappropriate tags use.

Not meaning to "boss" you around, Ruthy, since you are certainly welcome to do as you please, no matter what I say, and my comments here, other than the repeating of the statements in the Help Center, are simply my comments and opinions, but I did think that since you were advocating breaking a rule, I've seen you post enough to know that you really wouldn't want to break rules on purpose, so I thought I'd point it out to you, and did so here in the forum for any others that might be reading.

I sincerely hope that no one calls me a "forum cop" just because I'm informing someone of an incorrect understanding of a rule, either, as is so apt to happen in the forums these days and is really distressing for people like myself that simply want to help others, and calling me a "forum cop" makes me want to quit helping people. I've been told many times that my advice and information is very helpful, but sometimes it's hard to get called out for helping others.

Can anyone tell I'm not feeling particularly spunky tonight? Just a little tired :)  Hope my post to you is ok, Ruthy :)

ETA: You would certainly be welcome to tag them with the number of books, so that people see it better, that's not inappropriate, but tagging it "not enough pages to be postable" would be.



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Date Posted: 8/15/2009 8:13 AM ET
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Newruth--Thanks for listing the two sets of help docs.  I had only read the second set when I marked the booklet received.  If I had read the first set, I would have marked it RWAP because the number of pages was not disclosed.

Ann--I've gone through similar pains trying to find obscure books.  However, there are more than 10 copies of this booklet available on Amazon, so I'm not withholding it from someone who may desire it.  I did add an review to Amazon warning that this is a 24-page booklet,  because I'd be very upset to spend over $7 (including shipping) for a used 24-page booklet if I was expecting a full-length book.