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Subject: Requester Condition - What do you think of mine?
Date Posted: 5/21/2009 3:57 PM ET
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I have had several bad experiences with books I have requested. Today, for instance, I received a book reeking of cigarette smell, even though that is one of my RCs.

That made me think that maybe I should revise my RCs. So I started browsing the forums to get ideas.

I found that many people dislike lonh RCs. Some even ignore requests with RCs. I'd hate to lose a book just because someone found my RCs too long.

On the other hand, it is surprising that there are some things one should include in the RCs even though they're commonsense, PBS general conditions. I have received books that are in outright violation of what a postable book should be. So I consider that some of these conditions should be reminded in the immediacy of a request.

I want to be as specific as possible in my RCs without being deemed as too picky, which I'm not. I'll accept any book as long as it doesn't currently smell of cigarettes—which it doesn't mean I don't want books that have been in smoking environments in their lifetime—and it's not broken or water-damaged.

I would like to know what you fols think about my requester's conditions. I will post them below. I bulleted them so it looks light.  Are they annoying? Are they too long? I will take into account your advice and edit accordingly.

Thanks for all your help and support!

Isabel

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Please, please do not send me books that smell of tobacco or cigarrettes.

Yet, if you're a smoker, maybe your books doesn't smell. Ask a non-smoker if the book has an odor first.

PLEASE NO:

  • cigarette-smelling books
  • water damage
  • torn covers
  • loose pages
  • spines falling apart
  • heavy colored highlighting

These won't meet PBS conditions and I won't be able to repost it.

PLEASE YES:

  • books from pet-friendly homes
  • books with a history
  • library books
  • BookCrossing books
  • slight markings or writing
  • hardcovers with no jacket
  • Yellowing mass-markets are fine as long as the pages are not crispy and crumbling.

PM me freely.

Thanks!

 

 

Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:03 PM ET
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How can I PM you if I don't know who you are?  (Your screenname is not in your condition.)

I think that I would deny based on the "ask someone else to smell your books" part.  Some people word their conditions as "please do not send a book that is currently in a smoking home" because it covers people who aren't able to smell.  I'm not going to ask a bunch of people if a book smells.  It's too much work.

Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:04 PM ET
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I have seen many times the best way to ask for books that don't smell like smoke is to request books that are currently not in a smoking home.   All of these below are already against posting guidelines.  I personally would most likely not send you a book unless it was brand new.  JMO.

  • water damage
  • torn covers
  • loose pages
  • spines falling apart
  • heavy colored highlighting
  • Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:09 PM ET
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    Britney, you're right. Plus asking people to smell books, haha, it's kind of dumb.

    Jessie, I konw those are already posting guidelines. It surprises me that I still receive books like that. I will take them out, still. I reckon it's redundant.

    What about the PLEASE YES? Should I take that out as well?

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:12 PM ET
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    I would also remove the "Please Yes" part. If it were me, I'd stick with very simple:

    -Please no books that are currently in a smoking home.

    -Please be sure you have read and are observing the PBS guidelines which state no water damage, stains, torn pages or highlighting.

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:15 PM ET
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    I  might phrase it this way... to take out the request for the non-smoker to smell.

    Please, please do not send me books that smell of tobacco or cigarrettes.

    I don't mind if books come from a smoking household as long as there is no smoke smell in the book.

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:17 PM ET
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    Good post Isabel,  some PBS members very talented in wording RC's...like Amy!

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:17 PM ET
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    Isabel:  I just went through the same process wondering what my RCs should be.  http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=161148

    I ended up removing them completely.  If I get a book not within posting guidelines I will mark it RWAP.

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:24 PM ET
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    I would turn those down becasue of the lenght and I hate being reminded of the posting guidelines.  Someone who ignores the posting guidelines when posting their books will also ignore your RCS restating them.



    Last Edited on: 5/21/09 4:24 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:30 PM ET
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    I am amazed by your helpfulness. I am very grateful to you all.

    I have narrowed it down to just smoke odor. That's the only one I used to have, because that is really my only concern.

    It troubles me a little to mark a book RWAP, because at the end the sender gets the credit anyway and I end up with a useless book. I suppose the success of the ability we have to mark books RWAP is more marked in the case of repeat offenders.

    Anyway... With your help, I narrowed  it down to:

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    Hi there!

    Please do not send me books that smell of tobacco or cigarrettes. I don't mind if books come from a smoking household as long as the book has no odor.

    PM me freely. My screen name is Isabel-Batteria.

    Thanks so much!

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    Included my screen name in case someone really wants to contact me.

     

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 4:41 PM ET
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    I'm in a non-smoking home, but if I had a book that I bought used, I would probably still turn it down. I'm not a smoker, but my sense of smell is not very good. Smell is very, very subjective. A book that doesn't smell to me, might smell to you. I'd hate to take that risk.

    ETA: I might be cynical, but I'm afraid you might still get smoky books with that RC. I hope not, as I know how frustrating it is to get books you're not happy with. Good luck!

    Last Edited on: 5/21/09 4:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 1

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 5:12 PM ET
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    Isabel, sense of smell varies so much in people that you will likely either get lots of refusals because of this or you will get books that smell of smoke to you but not to the sender.  I do not smoke and think I have a sensitive sense of smell but I would turn down a request with your RCs because it's too subjective.   IMO, the only decent way to phrase such an RC is: Please, no books from a smoking home.

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 6:16 PM ET
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    Just a personal opinion: I would not accept any RC that requires a PM to the person to know if my book meets their RCs or not The RCs should be short, simple and objective so that if I have your request on the screen and my book in hand, I can tell right then and there that my book either meets your conditions or it doesn't. If I'm not sure, I'll decline.

    "Not from a smoking home" I can understand and can comply with. "No smell of smoke" is too subjective. I might not smell smoke, but if it's a used book, I don't know where it's been. I'll be darned if I'm going to bring a book around to a bunch of family and friends and have them sniffing them to give their opinions before I accept or decline.

    Cheryl

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 6:23 PM ET
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    I understand what you are trying to do with your RC, but I trying to get books by smell with almost always get your book turned down. Smell is too subjective and most people that turn down RCs, do so because of that.  I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and either make it a firm "no books from a smoking household" or take it off completely and hope for the best.

    The way I work on wording my RCs is by looking how I'd answer them -- If I ask does the book smell? The answer is "not to me" You want an RC that can be plainly answered yes or no regardless of the person answering it.



    Last Edited on: 5/21/09 6:32 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 6:30 PM ET
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    How about an analogy:  I find an item on EBay that I like.  So I send an email to the seller that says:

    "When I receive your item and open the package the item must not smell like smoke.  If it does smell like smoke you must refund my money, plus I get to keep the item unless you (the seller) pay return shipping costs which is roughly equal to the cost of the item".

    How many items could you purchase on EBay using this method?

    Dan (for Marilyn)

    Date Posted: 5/21/2009 6:31 PM ET
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    i agree with everyone else.  i think the most successful "no smoking" RC's are ones that say "not from a currently smoking home".

    yes, you might lose out on some books that don't "smell" of smoke, but i think that would be offset by the fact that you would have more people accept your request because it is more objective.

    good luck!  the only requestor condition i ever give is one about a dust jacket on hardcover books, and that's only for books for my keeper shelf.

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 9:01 AM ET
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    Here is my RC: "I  cannot accept books that smell strongly of smoke due to allergies.  Thanks!" 

    I am rarely turned down on a book and yes I do get books that smell like smoke, but not very often. I just don't see that this is a big problem either with getting books or getting smokey books. I get less smokey books than I do RWAP books. So just go with what you feel is needed for you.

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 9:49 AM ET
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    FFIW: The best smoking RC is "not currently in a smoking environment."

    If your RC mentions "smells" and "allergies" I will turn it down, I don't want to get anyone sick.  Also, not all noses are calibrated the same.  I might not smell the smoke, to you the smell of smoke could knock you over.

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 2:12 PM ET
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    I also turn down smell RCs.  I know my book isn't in a smoking home now, but lots of them I got used.  Some of those smell like smoke to me, so I'm sure there are more that smell like smoke to people more sensitive to the smell

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 2:56 PM ET
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    IMHO   Amy's suggestion is perfect.

    :)

     
    -Please no books that are currently in a smoking home.

    -Please be sure you have read and are observing the PBS guidelines which state no water damage, stains, torn pages or highlighting.



    Last Edited on: 5/22/09 2:57 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 2:57 PM ET
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    I will turn down a "smell" RC because I assume the person requesting them has an allergy and I would hate to make someone ill.

    Most of my books I get either from here, book sales or brand new.   No one who smokes handles them after I get them BUT that does not mean they might not have a slight smoke smell if they were used.

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 4:31 PM ET
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    My comments in bold Italics

    PLEASE NO:

    • cigarette-smelling books
    • water damage
    • torn covers
    • loose pages
    • spines falling apart
    • heavy colored highlighting

    These won't meet PBS conditions and I won't be able to repost it.

    Smoky smelling books can be reposted, but if the requestor does have this as a 'no' in their RC's, it can be RWAP'd.

    NO highlingting of any kind is allowed unless it is a textbook and this has been agreed on by the requestor. This should not be encouraged in any way.

     

    PLEASE YES:

    • slight markings or writing

    Any markings other than on in the inside cover are against posting guidelines. This should not be encouraged.

    Also, I would not reiterate the already -in-place posting guidelines.

  • water damage
  • torn covers
  • loose pages
  • spines falling apart
  • heavy colored highlighting
  • If you receive a book that violates these, you should proceed to RWAP.

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 4:36 PM ET
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     I have a "long" RC which I am always tweaking in order to shorten. I have only been turned down twice out of my thus far 46 requests. 

    "I might be cynical, but I'm afraid you might still get smoky books with that RC.

    Yes, this is true. I received a nicotine stinker last week. I had to throw it out, it was unbearable.

     

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 4:41 PM ET
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    I thought long and hard about my RC.  As I have allergies to perfume and smoke.  I decided that this is a used book site and I didn't want to sound too harsh.  (Which can get folks to turn down your book even when it does meet the RC.)  So I have a dark box filled with baking soda that smelly books go into.  They sit in the box in the sun on my window sill until I can read them without getting a headache. (Heat and an odor absorbant like baking soda help the books dry out and outgas.)

    My RC just reads:

    Due to allergies, please, no books from homes with current smokers or incense burning.

    I do hate it when a WL book arrives and has to go into the time out box.  But I hate headaches more.  I know that I sniff books before buying at the UBS.  But PBS is operating based largely on the goodwill of folks.  Which makes a balancing of my needs and the generosity of the sender.  I do look for folks who are also sensitive to order books from.  But I also get books from FIFO.  It is a gamble. 

    Date Posted: 5/22/2009 4:49 PM ET
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    Many times I am looking for a particular copy of a book. I've been disappointed on two occasions when I received a copy with a different and more unattractive cover. I learned the hard way that it's okay to send a book out with a different cover than what was posted. It is soooo annoying especially when you're trying to complete a set.

    Is it too uppity to ask if the book cover matches the PBS display?

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