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Subject: Requestor Conditions
Date Posted: 10/25/2015 11:10 PM ET
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My RC is pretty basic - No books that are currently in a home with smokers.  There is nothing to decipher, it's self-explanatory.  You should know if you or anyone you live with smokes.  I mention this because twice in the past week I have had books declined because "this is a used book and I don't know if anyone ever smoked around it."  Where does it state that?  I only state that if there are smokers NOW please don't send the book.  I realize people want to err on the side of caution, but this isn't difficult nor hard to decide.  Do you smoke?  Does anyone you live with smoke?  I get this RC all the time and never worry about it - because I don't smoke.

If people want to decline because they just don't want to deal with RCs, that's their choice and I have no problem with it.  But saying this doesn't even make sense because I never asked for ths history of the book, and it would be ridiculous for me to do so.  Anyone else come across this?  How much more specific do I have to get?

 

 

Date Posted: 10/25/2015 11:39 PM ET
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JoAnne, the only suggestion I have is to put the word CURRENTLY in all CAPS and maybe BOLD and UNDERLINE it as well. So that key word in your RC is emphasized. Unfortunately, you will probably still get more of the same. I wish you luck.

Pam 

 

Date Posted: 10/25/2015 11:48 PM ET
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Thanks; I already have it in Italics.  I'll try bolding and see if that works. 

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 6:02 AM ET
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I'm sure I will be taken to task for this but I have never understood how "Currently" would make any difference. I do not have RCs. If I receive a book from a third party, I read it and pass it on. So maybe it is in my possession a week or two. How does the fact that it was in my nonsmoking home for 2 weeks purify it for someone who has a sensitivity?  I have never smelled a book. Books don't smell as far as I am able to tell. How long would a book have to have non exposure for a allergic person to not find it objectionable. I have no idea and would not feel like guessing. To me, this RC  could only be satisfied if you know the entire history of the book.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 7:08 AM ET
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I am one of the people you don't like. I reject all requests that have smoking rc.

I have requester conditions myself for hi-lighting, underlining and writing on the page. I have had requests rejected simply because I have rc, not for the rc itself. I think you will have to live with a certain level of rejections simply because you have rc.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 7:18 AM ET
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They may be saying that just to have something to put in the box (as we're required to).  I just declined a "currently smoking home" RC.  In all honesty, I decline all scent RCs, but in this case, the book had been in my home literally a matter of days.  Even if I didn't recline scent RCs, I wouldn't have been comfortable passing it on to someone with a smoke RC.  Your smoke detector may be a lot more sensitive than mine. 

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 10:15 AM ET
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Scent is so subjective and scent RCs always make me nervous. I will send to RCs with "currently in a non-smoking home" but if they want me to sniff the book I will decline. i have received over 5,000 books since I joined and in that time I have received just one smoky book so part of me does not understand the need to have a no smoke RC...I get it if you have a smoke allergy, definitely, but I don't think the majority of no smoke books involve allergies. Maybe I would "get it" if I received smoky books routinely but that's not my experience. But I respect the right to put whatever conditions you want on a book...just know that you will receive less books that way.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 10:16 AM ET
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Smoking RC's are always tricky.  Even though the sender may not be a smoker, they could think that their book has a smoke smell to it since it's likely a used book. If they send it to you since they aren't a smoker, you could get it and think it was them and that they ignored your RC. 

I'll admit, I decline a lot of RC's regardless of what they are for, because I figure they are a RWAP waiting to happen.  I will accept a few of the non-smoking house hold ones if I am absolutely sure my book doesn't smell of smoke. My husband does smoke but only outside, and my "library" is on the other end of the house from our back deck, where he goes to smoke, and the door to the "library" is always closed to keep the dogs out.  So technically I DO live in a smoking household...but the smoking isn't done IN the house or anywhere near my books.  The only ones that ever have a smell to them are the ones I buy used at Goodwill or sometimes the ones from here.  I decline the RC's for any books like that.  I'd much rather err on the side of caution than send a book out I bought at Goodwill and then have a problem with the receiver once they get the book.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 10:29 AM ET
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I'm sending one out now with this RC. I don't think I have the best sense of smell in the world but this book has no odor. If she RWAPS for hat, I would tell her the truth, that this book met your RC's...



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Date Posted: 10/26/2015 12:38 PM ET
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This comes up every so often, and during one of the exchanges, one member with the books currently in a non-smoking home RC said she would RWAP a book that came to her with a smell, even if the member who sent it said it was from a non-smoking home.  When I saw that, I told myself I was right to decline any scent RCs.  The majority don't matter, because I am in a smoking household, but even if I wasn't, I wouldn't send simply because of that.

I'm sure, JoAnne, they just put that in the box because something needs to go there.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 1:14 PM ET
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Well, I've received this RC on a regular basis and I have no problem sending books because neither I nor my husband smoke.  I don't always know where the book was before, but I know where it it now.  As I stated, everyone has the right to reject sending a book, and that's fine: but I also think it would be pretty simple to tell if a book smells like smoke or not.  I've received books that smell like they've been stored in an attic or basement, but that's totally different than the smell of smoke.  Once it gets into a book, you can never get that smell out, so you would know.  There are usually medical reasons why people list this particular RC; it's not because of a whim.

The RCs I reject are the ones that state they want brand new or gift quality books or the ones that read like contracts.  My books have been read at least once, and as such are no longer brand new.  Most other RCs I'm pretty much okay with.  I have, in all honesty, come across "iffy" RCs though, that I've rejected if they're not perfectly clear.

But I understand the hesitation because I've read where some members RWAP books for everything - because it had a rip in the cover, wasn't like new, was mailed a day later than marked, etc.  There are people who will RWAP for a hobby, in my opinion (too bad their accounts can't be flagged as litigious! Lol). 

Thanks for the input.



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Date Posted: 10/26/2015 3:54 PM ET
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i have received over 5,000 books since I joined

WOWSA, Sally!  That's a lot of books since 2007!!

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 3:54 PM ET
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 I'll admit, I decline a lot of RC's regardless of what they are for, because I figure they are a RWAP waiting to happen.

I accept any and all RCs that I am able to fulfill and have never had a single problem. At all. I have no idea why people believe this ... as I have never seen a post from anybody at all saying that they fulfill lots of RCs and have lots of problems.

I've seen some people say they had one problem once.

I've had 2 RWAPs against me, both were from people without RCs. Does that mean that I should ONLY send to people who have RCs, since people without them are obviously waiting to RWAP?

Sorry to single out this post since lots of people post this opinion, but it makes little sense to me.

I'm sure I will be taken to task for this but I have never understood how "Currently" would make any difference. I do not have RCs. If I receive a book from a third party, I read it and pass it on. So maybe it is in my possession a week or two. How does the fact that it was in my nonsmoking home for 2 weeks purify it for someone who has a sensitivity?

I understand your RC perfectly. Smokers (especially heavy smokers) tend to send books that smell heavily and noticably of smoke. (To almost everyone EXCEPT the smoker themselves). It's not some kind of faint and barely noticable smell .... smoke practially wafts off these books. A lot of times, the packaging will also smell like smoke and have to be discarded instead of re-used.

It's not real common to get smoky books, but it's happened, I get them once in a while. Smoke doesn't particularly bother me, but I find the smell DOES actually dissipate after some period of time (sometimes a few days, sometimes a few weeks, also depends on if I try to get rid of the smell on purpose).

Not everyone with a smoke RC has a terrible allergy to some non-detectible amount of smoke, and when the RC states "no books from a smoking home" it really does just mean exactly what it says. The person with the RC knows their own sensitivity to smoke or not (I don't need to second guess their judgement) and if they feel that a few weeks in a non-smoking house is sufficient to fulfill their RC, then OK with me. (although, honestly, for me personally, it might be a year before I turn around a specific book to mail out again, as I have a large TBR, as do many on PBS). I wouldn't send a noticbably smoky book to someone with that RC, even if it was in my home for some period of time first ... but anything else, sure, I'm sending it out.

The person with the RC is probably mostly hoping to head off the "strong smelling smoky book in a smoky package" problem, and if the average non-smoking person can't smell any smoke in a book, then the person with the RC won't either.



Last Edited on: 10/26/15 4:00 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/26/2015 4:07 PM ET
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I'm sure I will be taken to task for this but I have never understood how "Currently" would make any difference. 

Because if someone doesn't currently smoke and no one in their house currently smokes. Then they meet the RC and can safely send the book. If the receiver complains, they don't need to return the credit because they meet the RC.  It makes it a yes-no question instead of a subjective question about smell.

Now, any reasonable person should decline an RC like that if a book stinks and is obviously from a smoking home...but the out is there that the sender has no responsibility if the book is currently not in a smoking home.

 

I have the same kind of RC. I get these rejections once in a while. I just shrug and don't care if they don't send to me. I figure I'd rather not have the book from them if its that hard to figure out.

I have had 2 books show up reeking of smoke. On each one I PMed the member before marking it as RWAP to discuss the book with them. One had the book for only a week and had been sick the whole time so she couldn't smell anything.  Another didn't think that another person in her home smoking counted as being in a smoking household. In neither case did I end up RWAPing.  The latter I probably could have, but instead explained to her how someone smoking in the home affected her books and adjusted my RC some more.

 

But I understand the hesitation because I've read where some members RWAP books for everything - because it had a rip in the cover, wasn't like new, was mailed a day later than marked, etc.  There are people who will RWAP for a hobby, in my opinion (too bad their accounts can't be flagged as litigious! Lol). 

This is Discussion board folk lore (though depending on the size, a rip in the cover might deserve it). An account would be flagged and looked at if they were RWAP every book they got.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 6:08 PM ET
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A lot of people do seem to be almost ridiculously wary of RCs. If there's no subjectivity to the condition (e.g., no one in your household smokes), accept it. If the receiver marks it RWAP, that's unfortunate, but you don't have to return the credit if it's not your error. I've accepted lots of RCs and never had a RWAP.

I personally don't care for RCs that restate the minimum requirements for book conditions, such as no underlining, because it makes me suspicious that the requestor doesn't understand the rules of PBS, and I think that makes it much more likely to result in a problem transaction. Nevertheless, if my book meets the RC, I'll mail it. There's really nothing to lose. You'd have to have a lot of problem transaction before it became a problem for your account.

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 4:33 AM ET
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I accept RC's all time.  That said, I no longer accept smoker RC's at all. Here's why: I had 2 RWAP swaps in a row for smoky smell.  Here's the kicker, I AM allergic to cigarette smoke!  So both books DID NOT have a smoky smell to them when I got them, weren't around smoke at all while I had them and definately didn't smell like smoke when I shipped them. I am extremely sensitive to cigarrette smoke, so I know they didn't. Both swaps the RC's were about current smoking households.   Then both RWAP'd the swap when they got the books claiming a smoky smell.  When I replied about the fact that I'm severely allergic to cigarrette smoke so the books did not have a smell when shipped, one person never responded and the other called me a liar!  So yeah, no more smoking RC's will get a book from me. 

And no, I don't have any RC's on my account because people sometimes auto decline for RC's.  If I get a book that is from a smoking househould and smells of smoke one of two things happen.  If i't a book that I requested while browsing I'll repost and keep it out in the workshop until someone requests it (seperate building from our house we use for storage only).  It a WL book then I'll put it out in the workshop in a sealed baggy with baking soda untl the smoke is gone, air it out on our porch for a few days and then keep it/read it. 

It seams like a lot of people use RC's as an excuse to RWAP, but I still will accept ones that don't have to do smokers. Just my 2 cents.

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 9:10 AM ET
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I think when people have RC"s that restate the rules, it's because they've been burned before. I was twice on ripped books. The cover was taped to the first an last page. It had so many rips, taping it to the pages kept the pb together. There wasvtape on inside pages and glue spots. It shouldn't have been posted but I was told I picky. The other one had stains, rips, doodles but she was quick to return my credit. Since I've had that 2x, I wouldn't make an RC, if it happened a lot, I would

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 9:38 AM ET
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I  have never had a RWAP based on RCs either. I send to all requestors whose RCs I can fulfill. By far the most common RC I see is some variation of "not currently in a smoking home", with "hardcovers must have dust jacket" as the second most common. I do decline pet RCs, as I've always had a cat.

No one in my home smokes. I am asthmatic, as are my sons, and tobacco smoke is the thing that sets us all off the worst. I do not have an RC--I personally just don't feel I need one. I've received 2 smoky books in my time here. Both were put in a brown paper grocery bag in the garage and were surrounded inside the bag by crumpled up newspaper. In both cases, after about a month, the books smelled fine to me, and I have a pretty sensitive sense of smell. I don't want to lost WL offers because people are afraid I might be a problem because I have RCs.

A coworker of DH's is a smoker and used to give him his used books. Those stayed in the garage in newspaper as well, and those particular books I would not send to someone with a smoke RC. Haven't gotten any from him in well over a year, if not longer though. 

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 2:17 PM ET
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What dumbfounds me is when this RC,  "hardcovers must have dust jacket" gets rejected because "this book is a paperback".

Ummmm, the requestor is ORDERING A PAPERBACK, so this RC, in no way, pertains to THIS BOOK. I find it sad that on a book site there are apparently people who can't read.

Pam

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 2:32 PM ET
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Then perhaps it would be beneficial for to requestor to remove it. . " I find it sad that on a book site there are apparently people who can't read."  Way more sad if requestors can not properly post their RCs. Would decline this every time!!



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Date Posted: 10/27/2015 3:04 PM ET
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I know Pam. The only RC's I have to decline is the animal ones. My big gorgeous lab/mastiff mix sheds a lot and I know that dander gets everywhere!! 

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 3:13 PM ET
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I actually just received a double smoke-bomb from a different site (2 books, nothing to do with my RCs here though). The packaging is already in the recycling and the books set to the side for anti-smoke processing. I seemed to get a LOT (like 1/4) of my books with a strong smoke smell before I put a smoke RC. If it's a book that I absolutely must have (hard to find, expensive) I'll leave off the smoke RC and hope for the best but for those titles I may not get another copy and I'd rather try to salvage 1 than never get a chance to read it. I'm not quite that level of desperate for a lot of books though, so I try to only apply the needed RCs to a book I'm requesting. Unfortunately that means that, more often than not, I can't use Auto request since I need to change the RC.

Mary: I don't think you understand that RCs are applied across the board and not on a by-book basis. In the example given, they specify that the dust cover potion of their RC refers to HC books only. Specifying it like that means that they could potentially put the book on Auto request, which I know is of importance to you. You've also already said that you decline all RCs anyway, so there is also no need to specify that you would decline a particular one.

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 3:43 PM ET
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Renee,

I do not believe you are  correct. I clearly recall that you can apply RCs to certain books only. So it would seem obvious to delete RC relating to dust jacket when you are requesting a paperback. And yes, I do decline all RC and the reason is because they are so inane, insulting or just a problem in the waiting.

Mary Anne



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Date Posted: 10/27/2015 3:59 PM ET
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I know you can order a NON-WL book and choose NOT to apply your Requestor Conditions to that particular book.

I think when you get a wl offer on 48 hr offer you can choose NOT to apply RC to that particular book and accept the offer. Which keeps your RC on for future requests and wl offers.  

So if you have it set to auto-request you cannot turn off the RC.  I think this is how it works. 

 

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 4:07 PM ET
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You can't apply different RC's for different books. There is no option for that.

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