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Subject: Requests with a lot of conditions
Date Posted: 1/11/2008 3:23 PM ET
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I am posting this here because I swap predominantly romance novels and wondered if other people run into this problem frequently.

I have had to turn down quite a few requests lately from people that had very strict condtions listed.  I don't know why, but it really irritates me.  My books are in good condition for the most part although I do occasionally receive a book in a really worn condition, but never unreadable or torn.

What irritates me is that the condition requests are unreasonable and I can't help but wonder why they don't just buy brand new books?

A lot of the books I find this happening on are wish listed, frequently traded books.

Does anyone else have to turn down a lot of requests?

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 3:36 PM ET
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i  turn down REQUEST FOR BOOKS WITH  CONDITIONs PERIOD.

Postage and books are just too expensive (even buying  at half price at USB add up!) to get into all the fuss

It avoids alot of stress...HOWEVER I do make an exception if it's members I know...i TELL WHAT I HAVE AND GIVE THEM THE OPTION .

 

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 3:43 PM ET
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That is a good idea.  I was getting to the point where I was going to turn down anything with conditions because I feel like I have to inspect every book very closely and that annoys me. 

I guess I can always PM them with the condition and see if they want it.  I'm not always sure if one person's idea of good condition is the same as my own.  I am not too too picky because I rarely keep the books I read. 

Thanks for the thoughts.

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 4:13 PM ET
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thankfully  i very rarely get book request with conditions...it seems to me  lately it's been toned down..i could be wrong..I only started trading again since SwapaDVD  came on board...

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 4:39 PM ET
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Well, speaking as someone who has been burned by bad books a LOT lately, I do think people *should* inspect their books before they post them, to make sure they fit basic PBS requirements.  And I think it's legitimate for people to expect those rules to be followed, because they might want to repost the book after they read it.

I always check my books before I post and then again before I mail, because sometimes I missed something. It doesn't take long.

 

I did turn down a request for a brand new book recently because the conditions list was so long and detailed, it seemed like it would be all too easy for the person to get upset by the smallest issue.

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 4:43 PM ET
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Well Willa, I am talking about requests that say No crease in the spine.  To me, it seems like they are looking for a new book or a book that someone read without actually opening it all the way if you know what i mean.  This seems unreasonable for a popular wish listed book.  Just my opinion.

The requests I am receiving are only matchable if you have a very new, read by one person book.

I don't have a problelm with requests that say things like no smoking or no torn covers etc.  I think that is reasonable. 

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 5:10 PM ET
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I got a book this week that was excessively worn.  The edges of the cover were all ragged and there were deep indents on the front cover from things that had sat on it.  Now my only condition is no smoking. 

I contacted the person to let them know I didn't feel the book was in postable condition (I won't repost) and why (but I didn't ask for my credit back).  She was new and quoted the conditions back to me and asked me to clarify why I considered it unpostable.  I explained that there is also an "excessively worn" condition as you post.  It was a friendly dialogue and she thanked me for pointing it out.

I worked at a bookstore while putting myself through university.  We could read any PB we wanted as long as we didn't break or crease the spine.  So I learnt to read without opening completely.  My brand new books look brand new even after I've read them--usually. But I've noticed lately that some of my new books the spine creases even if I don't open all the way.  Cheaper cardboard for the cover maybe??

 

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 6:05 PM ET
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Ani, some of us were talking the other day about some of the tradesize ones breaking or coming darn close ot it on some we've hardly touched (lori foster's anthologies I think were the ones 2 of us had happened to read and have that happen to us) and I don't think I've yet to read one where I could look at the spine adn it look brand new!

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 6:08 PM ET
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i AGREE with WHAT YOU SAID ROMANCEVL...As soon as i see anythi ng besides the NO SMOKING issue  my blood boils!

All of these  yellow pages/tilt/creasing of spine  nonsense  put an end to my association with the member...picky /fussy/irrational comes to mind and i don't want to deal...:)

As long as the Cover is fine, there's no water damage, excessive wear and tear..in other words  "NORMAL" used condition that should be fine..people have becoMe so irritating with their demands that I even stopped trading here...I went to the bookstore/AMAZON , got the books I wanted and didn't have to worry about whining and holding baCK  OF MY CREDIT...i FIGURES WHY LOOK FOR STUFF OTHERS MAY WANT , WHEN I JUST AS WELL GET WHAT I WANTED  lol!!

**i have to say that recieving  many bad books have NEVER been an issue..once in a blue moon, but for the most part PBS members have continued to send out  books that's way above my expectation...



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Date Posted: 1/11/2008 6:18 PM ET
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I understand nobody wants a book in really poor condition.  I have received a few books that I would never post, which is no big deal since I have so many books.  A few bad ones out of hundreds does not bother me. 

I just had three in the past two weeks that I had to turn down because their demands were so stringent and I started wondering why these people want to try to get books from a used book swap.  It just seemed like it would be easier to get a book in the condition they want directly from the bookstore.

If anyone has used the bookmate, you know it is impossible not to crease the spine with that thing.  I refuse to barely open my book and read it to prevent the spine from creasing, but I do try to be careful not to break the spine. 

Anyway, it isn't a big deal, I was just curious if a lot of people get requests from others that have really strict condtions listed and what they do about it.  I guess I will just have to bypass them and send my book on to the next person and hope they can find a book that meets their criteria from someone else.

Overall, I haven't had a bad experience with swaping here.  I have especially learned about a lot of great new books from reading the discussions here.  I appreciate it.

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 6:41 PM ET
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I usually just turn them down if its anything other than a "no smoking" request.  This is a USED book swap - people shouldn't expect to get pristine books right off the dealers shelf.

Sherri

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 9:01 PM ET
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i order books because i wanna read em.... as long as i can read em and don't have to sort through the pages to do so then i'm cool.... but i understand some conditions to a degree.  since we are paying postage and not 6 or 7 dollars or more then i feel we need to expect the books to be used.

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 9:32 PM ET
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Smoking or pet conditions are perfectly reasonable, IMO.  A lot of people have very serious allergies and athsma, and have almost no tolerance to pet dander and smoke odors.  I generally tell people that my books are in good condition, but used when I buy them.  Which basically means I can't vouch for the fact that they haven't been exposed to things that might cause problems for a person with severe allergies.  No creases to the spine or no visible cover wear - I'd be suspicious of the person being a book dealer myself.  Especially if you're noticing this occurs more frequently with wishlisted books.  That's a red flag to me.

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 9:47 PM ET
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I don't auto-decline a book with conditions.  This is a non-smoking house so if it just says "currently from non-smoking home" then I accept.  I turned down one that wanted a PM with a detailed history of the books geneology.  I got it used, I don't know where it was before the UBS.  I posted a 20yr old WL romance book when I first joined. There were 84 people on WL.  It was a very early OOP/HTF Sherrilyn Kenyon book.  The 1st request said something like "I only want books that are in like new, near mint condition" Well um this is a 20 yr old used book.  It was in great shape for a book that old but I wasn't taking any chances. I hit decline and under the reason I put "I'm afraid I won't get my credit. It's an old book" So for me it depends on how it's worded. I've had a couple that have come up with a please make sure the book meets PBS guidelines. I've accepted those because I don't post unpostable books.  But the ones that ask for basically a brand new book or a pm with the book's description first-I decline. 

Date Posted: 1/11/2008 11:26 PM ET
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The only requestor conditions I've run across so far are non smoking and other simple requests from people with allergies.  Haven't had any overly detailed RCs come up.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 1:02 AM ET
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Frankly, I'm amazed that anyone would put stringent (that is, beyond any that has to do with health issues) conditions on books when swapping on a USED BOOK site. It's unreasonable!  Should you receive one in near brand new condition, well, count yourself lucky and consider it a bonus!



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Date Posted: 1/12/2008 3:02 AM ET
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I think some of those folks with the long lists of conditions are dealers, they want pristine books because they can get the most $ for them.  As a READER, I don't need a pristine, first edition hardcover with mint condition dust jacket. :)  Any condition other than smoke free and pet free gets a decline from me.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 10:49 AM ET
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The condition issue has been discussed a lot but not nearly as often as when conditions were first put in place over a year ago. I have a condition listed and it completely pissed me off when I would hear people stating they turned down a request because they had a restriction... period. My restriction is simply that if I order a hardcover book I prefer them to include the dust jacket. I have had to up date  that several times because I kept having my paperback book requests denied because of unmeetable conditions. I tend to order hardcover books when they are either still only available in HC or they are keeper books for me. Only about 3% of my orders have been hardcover. I also put in my conditions to notify me if the book doesn't have a Dust jacket because that particular book might not matter to me if it is missing. I understand that this is a used book site but those who refuse to send books to people with conditions in general (not specifically talking about anyone here by the way) might as well say that they won't send books to members with the first name of Sandy.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 11:28 AM ET
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Only once have I gotten a book that was in unacceptable condition.  The front cover had this large square section from top to middle cut out of it.  What made it worse is that it was part of a series for my son & he was really disappointed when he unwrapped it.  At the time, I didn't know I could refuse to give the credit.  I found another copy for him, the damaged one went in a donation box, and the person who sent me a badly damaged book I never would have posted in a million years, learned absolutely nothing.  My mistake there, but one I won't repeat.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 11:45 AM ET
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Date Posted: 1/12/2008 12:12 PM ET
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If I'm unsure my book meets conditions, I message the person and tell them about the book before I accept or decline the request.  I've done this in cases where the book was a former library copy, and the requestor wanted books in good condition, or had smoking conditions - I forget which.  We talked about it, I described the condition of the book, and she ended up accepting it and being very happy & I got my credit.  It may not always be the case, but I think a little communication goes a long way.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 12:39 PM ET
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well I guess you'll have to be 'pissed off' at this member  lol!

Unless it's smoke issue I don't bother ...I'd rather buy my credit than to try to please ..

**As for  dust jacket I can truthfully say I don't know how I'd handle this one as i can see it's an important part of a  Hardcover....but since i don't trade those  i guess i don't have to worry about that...

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 12:58 PM ET
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You can't refuse to give someone a credit.  You can mark the book RWP and hope they return your credit.  I've had the dust jacket issue come up several times and I hit accept.  I list very few HB's.  If the book I posted clearly says it's a paperback and the DJ issue comes up-I accept anyway.  If they ordered a PB by mistake because they weren't paying attention that's their problem not mine.  I don't have to give their credit back as long as the book was listed properly. 

I don't do the whole "PM first to see if it's ok thing" though. Then you are stuck waiting on this person who may only come on once or twice a week.  Also it doesn't give you a PM button when the request comes though. So unless there is a profile set up-you have to hunt this person down. No thanks, I don't need the credit that bad.  So if that's a condition, which I've had before, I hit decline.  Otherwise I accept-I don't smoke and I don't post hardbacks or unpostable books.

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 4:35 PM ET
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I just turned down a wish list request.  It sounded like to me, they wanted a brand new one.  I stated for my reason, it was a good used book but not unread. I let it stay in the system for someone who will appreciate it

Date Posted: 1/12/2008 5:00 PM ET
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I keep thinking, that instead of these bizarre and extreme tweaks to the wishlist they're workig on, I would love to see some really *useful* changes made to the site, like the ability to PM someone before you accept or decline their request! It would clear up so many misunderstandings and problems, I think.

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