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Subject: Requirements
Date Posted: 7/2/2015 4:28 PM ET
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Okay, this is just a question, and I suppose, an observation - someone requested a few books from me.  One of them was ex-library, but very good condition.  I never purchase ex-library unless they are.  It was not in their requirements not to send it, but today I received a thank you with the sentence 'one was ex-library but I didn't change my requirements before it was sent.  I will just toss it because I don't want ex-library.'  Now, I'm not saying the requestor wants their credit back (it wasn't in requirements, so I won't offer it, and I can't see any reason they would tell me unless they were hinting I should return the credit), but wouldn't you relist the book for someone else?  Why just throw away a book in good condition merely because it's ex-library?  Thoughts?

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 5:03 PM ET
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I would certainly not. I request books I would like to read. So I would read it and repost it, if it still met PBS conditions. You need have no guilt.

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 5:28 PM ET
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I can only think that they have enough credits.  So they don't want the bother of wrapping it and paying for shipping it only to get a credit they don't need.

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 7:01 PM ET
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Well, ex-library books are obviously okay to send, provided they meet all requirements.  If this person didn't want to receive an ex-library book, they should have put it in their RC.

You shouldn't feel guilty about it if that's how you're feeling. 

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 7:51 PM ET
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I send out a lot of ex- library books, mostly hardbacks and I've only once had someone let me know they didn't want the ex-library book, but didn't have an RC. They didn't request their credit back though as they realized it was their problem. Pat

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 7:57 PM ET
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Ex-library books are allowed under PBS's postability conditions, unless the requesting member has an RC excluding them. However, I've found that a lot of members don't know that, and assume that you have to get an OK to send an ex-library book, just like you do with a book with highlighting/underlining. I don't send out a lot of ex-library books these days, but when I do I prefer to send a PM and get the OK from the person before sending. I know that isn't required, but I've gotten some pretty nasty messages RWAPing books that shouldn't have been RWAPed.

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 7:59 PM ET
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I have no idea....but reminds me of a member who said she knew covers didn't have to match, but it bothered her it didn't. Interesting. ..

Last Edited on: 7/2/15 8:00 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/2/2015 9:30 PM ET
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People are weird. Someone once told me that I should have told her one of the books I sent had a name inside the front cover as some people wouldn't be happy about that. I just told her it met the PBS requirements, and if someone wanted something above that they should have an RC. I think some people just like to complain.

Date Posted: 7/2/2015 10:26 PM ET
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Yeah, a lot of members, new and old, have never really taken the time to read and understand the posting guidelines and can get a little irritable over something that is well within the guidelines but a surprise to them. Not our job to educate them and I learned quickly that PMing a person about a requested book can leave you hanging without an answer as the mailing date approaches...if you cancel the request you lose your place in the FIFO line so if you go ahead and mail the book and then the member sees the PM and decides they don't want it, it's too late, you've mailed the book and they aren't going to be happy when they get it. If a member does not have an RC, and the book is within the posting guidelines I'm not going to lose sleep over it and neither should you. As to their throwing out the book, rather than reposting it? It's now their book to do with as they please, but I would guess they were just hoping to get a rise out of you.

Date Posted: 7/3/2015 12:35 PM ET
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Yes, I think she was hinting around for you to return her credit.  Throw is away?  Why not just relist? Or actually read it?  Makes no sense to me.

 

Date Posted: 7/3/2015 3:56 PM ET
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It is too bad to have a book go out of circulation that way. It very clearly states in the pbs guidelines that ex lib is ok. I just want to read the book. The only thing I care about is that I can read it. I don't care what it looks like. Ok, I do care if there is mold, but that would be way against guidelines anyway.

Date Posted: 7/3/2015 7:11 PM ET
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Date Posted: 7/9/2015 1:16 AM ET
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The "I will just toss it because I don't want ex-librar." sounds to me like 1 of 2 things - if they're exaggerating their response then it sounds like they're trying to passive-aggressively ask for their credit back, if they're honestly going to throw it away then it sounds like they're being spiteful because they're irate that they forgot to apply the correct condition to the book. There's no reason to trash the book, since they could re-trade or donate it somewhere if it doesn't have a place on their shelf. Outright throwing it away is completely unnecessary.

Date Posted: 7/9/2015 10:55 AM ET
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I agree, Renee.  To me, it's manipulative - 'I want you to feel bad/guilty'.  Especially stating it wasn't in their RCs. If they aren't asking for a credit and the book meets PBS guidelines, then what's the point of even mentioning it?  

I don't understand the feeling about ex-library in any case.  If you don't mind borrowing from the library, then it doesn't make sense to me that you would not want one in a swap.  Or if they don't want to read a book so many people have handled (library), I wouldn't think they would want used books at all.  Just my observation :^)

Date Posted: 7/9/2015 6:44 PM ET
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I've run into a bunch of people here in recent months who are just buying credits (for around $2) to order books and never posting or sending any themselves. Financially it's a smart move since a credit is usually worth at least $2.72 for average postage cost plus the cost of mailing materials, but doesn't really seem in the spirit of a 'swapping club'.

My guess is she was looking for a 'keeper' book and doesn't want the ex-library binding though as others pointed out most people who don't want them have that as an RC.  What a waste to just throw it away...........

Date Posted: 7/10/2015 2:40 AM ET
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I feel like I should say that there are a lot of books on my WL that I'd much prefer to get non-ex-library copies of, either for myself or if it's one that I want to read and then put in a swap game (I've found that my ex-library copies don't get taken very often and then I feel bad about it), but that's why I use the RCs. If I forget to, then it's on me. I got so mad when I was at a by-the-pound thrift store a few months ago... this woman was scanning all of the books in a bin to see if any had resale value and, if not, she'd just throw them to the other side of the bin. I saw so many covers wretched sideways and paperbacks get bent. I had to go look at other things because I felt so awful for the books.

Date Posted: 7/11/2015 4:12 PM ET
Member Since: 12/30/2009
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Some people's expectations are just too high to begin with. I've seen people who expect to get brand new or almost new books every time, or they do not deem them worthy of swapping. This isn't a collectors site, it's a swapping site.

Subject: Another odd thing I'm noticing
Date Posted: 7/13/2015 4:46 PM ET
Member Since: 5/13/2006
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is RCs that describe things that would make a book unpostable under normal guidelines anyway.   ie no ripped pages or water damage.

The first one I accepted and now the book was delivered a week ago and not marked received yet.  The second one I declined even though the book is in good condition, it's just not worth the aggravation.  

Maybe they're new users but, something funny seems to be going on 

zeke68 -
Date Posted: 7/13/2015 5:23 PM ET
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RCs that describe things that would make a book unpostable under normal guidelines anyway.   ie no ripped pages or water damage.

This is one of my pet peeves.  I don't like being told to do what I'm already doing in the first place.  Maybe it makes me spiteful, but I decline those every time.

 

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Last Edited on: 7/13/15 5:23 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/14/2015 10:38 AM ET
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This is one of my pet peeves.  I don't like being told to do what I'm already doing in the first place.  Maybe it makes me spiteful, but I decline those every time.

One of my pet peeves is people who decline books that have nothing to do with the requestor's conditions. I think that is spiteful, and those people shouldn't be in the club if they're going to act that way.

Date Posted: 7/14/2015 10:57 AM ET
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While I have no RC's, I do understand people who reiterate club rules.I have received (and it's only been 3 times) books whose covers were torn off anf taped back on with the pages coming out. I have received a book so stained with brown stuff it should've been thrown out. The one with the stains, the lady was very nice and said she listed without looking at the book, the one ripped one apologized and said it didn't bother her so she didn't think it would bother anyone else and the last one sort of argued it out and felt I was picky (come on the cover was orn off and put on with packing tape and the pages wee coming out).

I can absolutely see why someone would reiterate. Even though 2 out of the 3 were reasonable, it really is a hassle to go through eveything to get your credit back all because a book should not have been posted in the first place.

Date Posted: 7/14/2015 6:45 PM ET
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Spiteful and shouldn't be in the club?

That's funny, I guess it's a good thing those aren't the rules!  The club would be pretty small.

I decided a long time ago to decline subjective RCs, especially smell related.  No regrets and my recent experience is making me more inclined to decline all RCs.   Simply because every time I accept one it ends up being a hassle.  This is supposed to be fun and there's always someone else in line happy to take my wishlist book.  

I know I'm not alone on this, so I guess my point is that if you have picky RCs you're waiting longer for your books.  If you're ok with that, then great.



Last Edited on: 7/14/15 6:48 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/15/2015 5:52 PM ET
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@Rachie  "One of my pet peeves is people who decline books that have nothing to do with the requestor's conditions. I think that is spiteful."

Well, unfortunately, there aren't any RCs for declining books from people who have "issues" --- only for declining actual books with issues.   wink 

I figure if I"m receiving a book from somebody who has declared themselves spiteful, I'd rather not receive anything from them in the first place.   

Because, think about this:    if there IS a problem of some sort..........you have to wonder what it's going to be like dealing with a person like that   frown

 



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zeke68 -
Date Posted: 7/15/2015 6:38 PM ET
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 I think that is spiteful, and those people shouldn't be in the club if they're going to act that way.

Hey, I admitted I was spiteful.

But that's the glory of the RCs.  You can have a million of them.  I don't have to accept a single one.  And I'm still a member in fine standing of this glorious club and have been for 7 years.

I don't have RCs, never will.  I don't keep books that I receive here; I trade them back out.  I figure that the vast majority of this club knows what is allowed and what is not and if I receive a book that isn't up to PBS standards, well, that's why RWAP is available.



Last Edited on: 7/15/15 6:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/16/2015 10:24 AM ET
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For me, it's not so much referring to the standard rules for posting, it's the way they're worded.   I've seen RCs that said something like 'Please no books from homes with pets, we have allergies.  Otherwise, as long as they meet PBS posting requirements, I'll be happy to receive them'.   
To me, this is saying, 'I have some issues, but I'm a reasonable person'.

It's when they are written as though the member is sure they are the only ones who have ever read or complied with PBS rules and regs that the red flags pop up for me.

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