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Subject: Review copy?
Date Posted: 9/27/2010 2:17 PM ET
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I just got a book and on the first page it is stamped "review copy". Is this book allowed to be posted on this site? Thanks for the help

Sylvia

Date Posted: 9/27/2010 2:22 PM ET
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Its possible with it being a stamp that it is a final copy of a book sent out for someone to review it, and that would be postable.

Look over the book for the words "Advanced Reader Copy", "Uncorrected Proof", "Not For Resale" anything that might indicate it was a printing prior to the actual publication date where it wouldn't be a final copy. If nothing on the book indicates that, the book is probably not an ARC and is postable.

Date Posted: 9/27/2010 4:12 PM ET
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Not to disagree with Melanie, but the Help Center document "What is an ARC?" appears to consider Review Copies the same as other ARCs, thus making them unpostable.

Subject: The thing with Review Copies
Date Posted: 10/1/2010 11:38 AM ET
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Authors receive a set number of books that they can then give to friends, family or send to reviewers. They don't get paid for those books, same with ARCs. Other than being a final print copy, there is no difference between an ARC or review copy. While many reviewers will happily try to sell them, it ends up just taking money from the author. I know many authors who make piddly little salaries. Therefore, as a general rule, I refuse to do more than donate my review copies to elderly homes, shelters and hospices. I usually make it clear to the author that that's where their book will end up. To me it is a common courtesy.

Date Posted: 10/1/2010 5:45 PM ET
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I agree with Melanie's advice.

Although, as Elizabeth / Cattriona pointed out, the Help Documents about "What is an ARC?" mention 'Review copy' specifically, I don't think the terms ARC and Review copies are completely interchangeable. The same Help Doc mentions the reasoning behind ARCs being unpostable being the fact that they are not the final version of the book. IMHO, if the copy the OP has is a final copy which is then being used as a "review copy," it should be postable.


I've also seen "review copies" being sold in the basement of the Strand bookstore in NYC at half the cover price. They look like final copies with a slip or a card inside from the publisher asking the intended recipient to review the book. However, since they were on the shelf still in cardboard boxes I thought they were "overstock" copies of review books that the publisher then sold to Strand. Any idea if the author would get paid for those copies?

 

Date Posted: 10/1/2010 6:09 PM ET
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Sophia- no they do not get any money from review copies. If the publisher gives copies away the author gets nothing. only books SOLD NEW at a bookstore/online book seller or direct from the publisher puts money in the authors pocket.

Date Posted: 10/1/2010 6:50 PM ET
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thanks for the information, xengab.

i'm glad i didn't buy any books then that day.

Date Posted: 10/2/2010 12:41 AM ET
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IMHO, if the copy the OP has is a final copy which is then being used as a "review copy," it should be postable.

That is kind of what I was getting at. I've seen people who send out finished copies of books just to get reviews written on them and the wording of the OP that it was "stamped" on the book doesn't really tell who put it on there. If someone is sending out final copies of books (often after release date) and they manual stamp the copy as a review copy before sending it that book should have no problems being traded here, it is no different than a library stamp IMO.

If a publisher send a pre-release copy of a book out stamped Review Copy then I would agree that it would fall under the ARC category. But to me we did not get enough information to make that determination.

Whether or not a book is paid for is not what makes ARCs not postable its the possibility of the book not being the final version. Compimentary books are not paid for but they are still swappable. 

Subject: Books Stamped Review Copy
Date Posted: 10/2/2010 7:22 AM ET
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are almost always copies given to the author that they then hand out. When publishers send out a final copy for review, they rarely ever stamp them. Typically, they sent a first edition copy with no markings at all. Only the small, independent publishers will stamp final copies with review copy. I have shelves full of 1st editions received for review. Those get donated and autographed ones go into my collection.

Date Posted: 10/5/2010 2:12 AM ET
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I also agree with Melanie. 

PBS guidelines are very clear as to the reasoning behind not allowing ARC's to be traded FIFO.  But if the member can determine if the book is a final copy (vs. pre-publication edition or otherwise not the final draft) then the book should be postable.   The published edition should be postable even if stamped review copy, library discard, UBS, etc.  We have no control who adds stamps to a book after publication (or why) but that doesn't necessarily render it unpostable.



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Date Posted: 1/13/2011 7:24 PM ET
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I read this topic when it first appeared, and agreed with the logic of Melanie and others at the time. Now, it's pertinent. I have a final copy of a WL book that came out in early 2010. Not until I started reading it did I note that it is stamped "Review Copy  Not For Resale" on the bottom page edges. I am leery of posting it since although it's definitely the published edition, I'm guessing the transaction wouldn't go smoothly. Perhaps I could add it to my books in the Multiple WL topic with a note, where it appears more of the participants read the boards?

Date Posted: 1/13/2011 9:01 PM ET
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if you dont want to post it to your account you could add it to the damaged wishlisted book list in the bazaar and ask a credit for it

Date Posted: 1/13/2011 9:49 PM ET
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A "Review Copy" is an ARC.  Different publishers use different wording.  It's precisely the same thing.  

 

However, since they were on the shelf still in cardboard boxes I thought they were "overstock" copies of review books that the publisher then sold to Strand. Any idea if the author would get paid for those copies?

No.  The authors would not.  Most UBS in NYC are filled with ARCs as the percentage per capita here of reviewers is, well, high.  You can't throw a rock in my neighborhood without hitting a reviewer of some sort.



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Date Posted: 1/13/2011 11:43 PM ET
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I wondered why this old thread had been resurrected!

Although being a final copy, the book may technically be postable Jodi.  But it's a fine line and an excellent chance your receiver will not understand the situation, so it's a potential for RWAP, misunderstandings, and drama.  Then the receiver will have the same problem if they wish to re-post the book...a high probability of RWAP.  You might first wish to try other methods of finding your book a new home.

IIRC "Not For Resale" only applies to those who have a written agreement with the publisher, ie. contracted reviewers, retail businesses, etc.  Buying, selling, or trading books is not illegal unless you are in violation of a contract with the publisher or owner of the book rights.