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Subject: Right book - alternate title
Date Posted: 4/19/2013 9:43 PM ET
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I know  that title, author, ISBN and book type are supposed to match.  I received a book today that had the correct author (Agatha Christie), ISBN (0425089037 which shows up on PBS as The Thirteen Problems) & book type but had an alternate (also published as) title: The Tuesday Club Murders.  Should I RWAP?

Date Posted: 4/19/2013 10:44 PM ET
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A bit unclear, which book did you want to request?  The listing appears to be for a book called The Thirteen Problems, although there are tags for The Tuesday Club Murder.  So is it same book with a changed title, or a different book altogether?  The tags could indicate that you are not the only one that has had an issue with this ISBN. 

If the publisher re-used the ISBN then PBS will stick with the one in the system first, and the others must be posted without (ie short PBS ISBN).  If the listing is incorrect, and only the one book was ever published under this ISBN, the data can be corrected.

Not sure how to log a book if the data is incorrect.  The book you received; is it the same Author, binding, ISBN, and titled The Thirteen Problems?  If so, the sender posted the book correctly.  If the Author, ISBN, and binding are correct, but it's titled The Tuesday Club Murders, then it's probably a RWAP. 



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Date Posted: 4/19/2013 10:53 PM ET
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I requested The Thirteen Problems as PBS shows with that ISBN but it arrived as The Tuesday Club Murders  with the same ISBN - same book, just a different title.

Date Posted: 4/19/2013 11:02 PM ET
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Yes, if the title does not match the PBS listing for that ISBN you can RWAP.  The 'Buy From Amazon' link also forwards to the The Thirteen Problems title. 

Be especially kind tho, the sender probably posted (correctly) by ISBN and didn't notice the title was different, or didn't realize it would be a problem.



Last Edited on: 4/19/13 11:03 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/19/2013 11:24 PM ET
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You need to be aware that many British books are released with one title and cover in the UK, but given another title and cover when released in the US (you may be aware of this with some of the Harry Potter books).  Though I am not familiar with that particular Christie book, this could be the case.  

When we lived in Germany a few years ago, many of the English language novels I bought were the British versions and it wasn't til I returned to the states and went to post some of those titles here that I discovered they were released with same ISBN under different title in US.

Date Posted: 4/19/2013 11:55 PM ET
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I did not RWAP because it IS the correct text of the book I requested.  I will probably not repost just to avoid future problems.

Date Posted: 4/20/2013 12:52 AM ET
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You can submit a data edit for the listing, so that the other title it was published with can be added to the listing. They usually add it to the title something like (also pub. as xxx) when the book is just titled differently but it's the same book. Note, they do not do that when a ISBN is reused for 2 different books.
Date Posted: 4/20/2013 12:55 AM ET
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I would either tag it or submit a data edit that it has the alternative title.  Books can be re-issued with a different title (I know of some romances that this happened to.  The older title will often be on the copyright page.) or with the UK title.   Like the first Harry Potter.

Date Posted: 4/20/2013 4:44 PM ET
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If you really want to repost the book, you can do it under "post book without an ISBN" option.  Then put "released as The Thirteen Problems in UK" under the book description.

Date Posted: 4/20/2013 7:10 PM ET
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I'm a bit lost, was the book title changed?  The same story sold under the same ISBN but two titles?

Date Posted: 4/20/2013 7:29 PM ET
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Yes, books released in the UK can be released in the USA under different titles. For example, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone was released as Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone in the UK.



Last Edited on: 4/20/13 7:31 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/20/2013 9:12 PM ET
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The book should have been marked as RWAP. It doesn't matter if the Brittish publication uses a different title and it is the same book, it doesn't matter if people have Tagged it with the other title. The rules on the site are clear and simple and repeated throughout the posting process - if the title does not match what the listing says, DO NOT post your book to that ISBN. Don't. Post it as a book without an ISBN. Submit a data edit and wait for the change (though if both titles are correct they won't change it). But just posting it is not an option and not marking it RWAP encourages people to not follow the posting rules. If they don't follow that part of the Golden Rule that is repeated and in red, what other parts of the rules will they find minor and not have to be followed when they get away with not following that one? If the content of the book is fine, just don't ask for your credit back, but the transaction should be logged correctly that the book was not posted correctly.

Date Posted: 4/20/2013 11:59 PM ET
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The rules do say to do a RWAP for wrong title. However, in this case, it is the same book but with a different title than the UK edition. I would let it slide and not demand a credit back. But, if i were to repost it, I would do it under "post without an ISBN."

Date Posted: 4/21/2013 1:41 PM ET
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Glad you got the book you wanted to read, regardless of title!

Date Posted: 4/22/2013 11:26 AM ET
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I would not RWAP this either.
Date Posted: 4/22/2013 2:32 PM ET
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I'd not RWAP but I would message the sender to tell them what happened, just in case they have other books.   I run into that problem when on Fantastic fiction, tells me one title and then has ( for the US) title. Most of the time it has them but not all.

 

Date Posted: 4/22/2013 2:54 PM ET
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The rules on the site are clear and simple and repeated throughout the posting process - if the title does not match what the listing says, DO NOT post your book to that ISBN. Don't. Post it as a book without an ISBN. Submit a data edit and wait for the change (though if both titles are correct they won't change it).

The data edits that have to be verified are taking an incredible long time right now. I don't know why.

But I can think of at least one book that I know for a fact people are posting wrongly every time they post (and it does seem to be getting posted) ... because the book was delayed for a while and the title was changed before publication but apparently after PBS got the listing.

I submitted a data edit on that title several months ago. Still not changed.

The one I submitted before that (which did eventually go thru) took several months too.

I get that everyone wants it to be perfectly verified, and that might take some time,  ... but it's a book trading club, not a life or death decision.

Date Posted: 4/22/2013 6:11 PM ET
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The data edits that have to be verified are taking an incredible long time right now. I don't know why.

I believe it was a data approver that I saw post recently that the que for approvals is quite backed up. I checked the thread that people post in when the que has been cleared and it hasn't been posted to since the 10th April so the approvers have obviously been backed up for a bit. They won't just approve them to get them cleared, they take approval seriously and do them correctly as they go because they aren't going to come back to try to get them better later.

If you don't see a submittion being approved for many months, resubmitt it or find someone with a data approver icon and send them a message asking if they think enough time has passed that it was lost. That does happen, there a hiccups in the system. The will either get approved or you will get a message on why it didn't get approved, they don't just deny and not tell you.

Date Posted: 4/22/2013 6:11 PM ET
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The data edits that have to be verified are taking an incredible long time right now. I don't know why.

I believe it was a data approver that I saw post recently that the que for approvals is quite backed up. I checked the thread that people post in when the que has been cleared and it hasn't been posted to since the 10th April so the approvers have obviously been backed up for a bit. They won't just approve them to get them cleared, they take approval seriously and do them correctly as they go because they aren't going to come back to try to get them better later.

If you don't see a submittion being approved for many months, resubmitt it or find someone with a data approver icon and send them a message asking if they think enough time has passed that it was lost. That does happen, there a hiccups in the system. The will either get approved or you will get a message on why it didn't get approved, they don't just deny and not tell you.

Date Posted: 4/22/2013 6:20 PM ET
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I'm not talking about regular data edits ... I'm talking about the ones that need extra verification because of a binding change or a major title change. Those are taking months.

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Date Posted: 4/26/2013 8:09 PM ET
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The data edit approvals line has been cleared on the 10th, and again on the 24th and again today.  So there is no longer any backup in the data approvals line.  However, as Sara P. mentioned, title change approvals are handled differently (not approved by the Data Editing team, but instead need approval from the site administrators) and they are on a different timeline. 

 

I know that they have been busy integrating a new server to the site, and that may be one reason causing delays on responses back pertaining to title change requests.

However, adding an "AKA"', "also known as", "also published as" line to the title can be handled by the Data Team and does not require the site administrators' approval, and does not typically take as long to appear in the system.

Date Posted: 4/28/2013 11:24 PM ET
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I know of one book on the British Long Range Desert Patrol (WW II - North Africa) that was issued under three different titles over the years.