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Subject: second thoughts
Date Posted: 8/17/2010 7:50 PM ET
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I posted a hard cover there is no water damage and it has its dust cover but my dog chewed on a bit of the spine.  Should I withdraw this or just repost under the nonISBN with a discription of the damage?  I certainly don't want some one to think that I have cheated them.

 

phil

Date Posted: 8/17/2010 7:52 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 8/18/10 7:01 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/17/2010 7:54 PM ET
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It doesn't matter how big the bite is, chewed on books are not postable so you should remove the book from the system. You can offer a book in the Book Bazaar that has damage, as long as the damage is explained. You can ask for a credit, but usually people won't pay a credit for a damaged book unless it is Wish Listed. Many people offer them free with a request from their shelf.

Here is the Help Center document. No books can be posted into the system with unpostable damage, not even as a book without an ISBN.

Guidelines:                                                                                                                                       

Overall Condition:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid
  • Not soiled
  • No stains (exception for cookbooks--see below)
  • No mold
  • no highlighting, underlining or writing on text pages (exception for Textbooks/Workbooks and travel guidebooks --see below)

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below.

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 square inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Pages:

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages
    • for travel guide books - maps if designed to be detachable may be detached, but must be included.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages
    • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
    • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
    • writing or highlighting or underlining on the text pages is NOT OKAY
      • Exception: if it is a textbook or workbook, these are expected to have highlighting/underlining/writing
        • if you post a textbook/workbook, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for travel guidebooks and cookbooks--see below).
      • Exception: if it is a travel guide (not a picture book but a guide, such as Fodor's or Lonely Planet), some writing on text pages could be expected.  All maps must be present and included with the book - if detachable it is OK if they are detached, but they must not be missing.
        • if you post a travel guide that has writing in it, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for textbooks/workbooks and cookbooks--see above and below).
    • No staining

      • Exception: Cookbooks may have some mild staining, since these are used in the kitchen and while cooking, and some minor degree of staining could be expected in a used cookbook.  Also a small amount of writing in cookbooks could be expected
        • HOWEVER, if you post a cookbook and it is stained and/or written-in, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for travel guidebooks and textbooks/workbooks--see above).
    • this exception applies to the covers of cookbooks also.
  • Page edges: remainder marks are OK.  A name written on the page edges is okay (if it does not bleed in and obscure text on the text pages


Last Edited on: 8/17/10 8:02 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 8/17/2010 8:13 PM ET
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You cannot list an unpostable book without an ISBN and then explain the damage.  If it's WL offer it in the book bazaar. If it isn't WL, it isn't likely to go for a credit. 

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 6:52 AM ET
Member Since: 2/16/2010
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If your object is to read the book, the dammage won't affect this one way or the other.  The book isn't falling apart and the pages are intact and pristine.  If your object is to collect it or sell it you would have to offer a discount.  The reason I listed I listed it was to give someone a chance to read it who hasn't read it.  Again, from a readability standpoint, the damage has NO impact.  LOL!  Oh well.

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 7:54 AM ET
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Readability isn't the standard of this site. The book needs to meet the basic minimum conditions to be traded for a credit. Melanie posted that for you. Members like to receive books they can swap again on the site instead of marking the book received with a problem and trying to get their credit back from senders who do not follow the guidelines.

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 7:55 AM ET
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Readability isn't the point though, the book is unpostable under PBS guidelines.  The only way you can offer this book is in the Book Bazaar where you can describe the condition and allow anyone interested to decide if they want it. 

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 7:57 AM ET
Member Since: 12/10/2009
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I understand the readability part of your reasoning, but others don't want to get stuck with the same quandary when they receive it. Can I trade this book?

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 10:51 AM ET
Member Since: 10/23/2005
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Yes, it may be entirely readable but it is not postable here. Criteria for postable books is pretty clear. No Chewed books!

And just an opinion:

If it were my own dog that chewed the book I would have no qualms about its readability, but another's dog's slobber isnt something I would want to curl up in bed with. I prefer to keep my slobber to myself and ask that others do the same.

Date Posted: 8/18/2010 3:34 PM ET
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I too would not be thrilled if I received a book that had been chewed because, like, ew. 

A book would be technically readable if it had a small vomit stain on the cover, but it would be neither postable or welcome to most people.

Subject: thanks!
Date Posted: 8/18/2010 6:12 PM ET
Member Since: 2/16/2010
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You guys have fully answered my questions.  Thanks.

 

phil