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Subject: Sick and Tired of certain comments!!!
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 3:44 PM ET
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I am so sick and tired of reading that Christians "barf" and "spew" Bible verses.  That is rude, crude, disgusting, uncivilized, and just so demeaning.  If you don't want to read where someone quotes (that is the correct word folks) Bible verses, aka:  Scripture, then don't read that posting...use your mouse and scroll down over it...you are not required to read it.

But, STOP THE DISGUSTING, RUDE, CRUDE COMMENTS.

 

Forum guidelines....using the above words to refer to Christians quoting the Bible is overt rudeness!!

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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:23 PM ET
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Now you know how it feels when someone comes in and starts talking about their religious beliefs when the topic at hand is a different religion. Rude behavior is rude behavior. Stop cramming your belief systems down our throats and perhaps we won't be so inclined to talk about your spewing. To get respect, you have to earn respect.
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:26 PM ET
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Excuse me but, I have refrained from making any comments in "your" forum discussions....so, just because one or two may quote the Bible does NOT mean you (generalized) have to retaliate against everyone.



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:28 PM ET
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I haven't retaliated against anyone. Honestly, what did you hope to accomplish by posting this rant?
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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:31 PM ET
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I get tired of hearing how non-believers are immoral and don't know how to be "good people" because they don't believe in a Christian god or the Bible or whatever.  And not only do I have to hear it here, I have to hear it on the street.  Last night while I was waiting in line to see Bill Clinton, a man came around passing out literature telling us that we were all going to hell unless we were saved.  I politely declined his waste of paper.  Perhaps if more people quit trying to convert others to their beliefs, they wouldn't be accused of spewing and cramming.  It's not the belief that makes people angry, it's the attitude that everyone else should share it or there is something wrong with them.  I don't care what religion you want to be, just leave me out of it.

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:35 PM ET
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The word "barfing" WAS pretty gross and rude.

But, Christy, don't allow yourself to be so easily offended. It's only a word, and words are only as effective as you allow them to be.

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:38 PM ET
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"I haven't retaliated against anyone. Honestly, what did you hope to accomplish by posting this rant?"

If the shoe fits, wear it...if not, don't worry about it!!!

"I get tired of hearing how non-believers are immoral and don't know how to be "good people" because they don't believe in a Christian god or the Bible or whatever. "

And I get sick and tired of being bashed for being a Christian...just because I may quote a scripture does not mean I am cramming it down your throat.  There may be some that do but, don't demean and be uncivilized to all of us because of a few.  You don't want to be called names for not believing...

"But, Christy, don't allow yourself to be so easily offended. It's only a word, and words are only as effective as you allow them to be."

There is one person that is adament about using words such as "barf" and "spew" and after awhile one just gets sick of it...I'm not easily offended but, there comes a time when someone has to call a halt or at least try too.  My other option other than posting this here was to go to the PBS team and register a complaint.  Perhaps that would have been better and I could have just named the specific person.

I did get a chuckle out of the scripture (Matthew 5:39, "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person, If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." This is the text that Kristen deleted from her post) quoted above...I want it noted that it was not me that called the person using these words "evil"....



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:46 PM ET
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How many times do people of different faiths go into the Christian forum or threads and try to preach their religion to you?  How many times do they try to convert you to become Jewish, or a Pagan, a Wiccan, and Atheist, a Muslim, etc?  I'm going to guess none.  And we get sick and tired of threads over here and other places being hijacked by supposedly well-meaning, innocent Christians who feel the need to prove something and hopefully convert a few people along the way.  A lot of us are fed up with it.  If that is the only reason you are coming into a thread, then don't bother.  And if you do, don't get angry when people complain about your behavior.  It's hypocritical on so many levels.  I for one am sick of the excuses.  Show the same respect to non-Christians that have been shown to you in regards to this forums posting business.  If the thread is not discussing Christianity at all and that's what you want to discuss, start a new one.  Or better yet, start one in the CHRISTIAN forum.  For crying out loud, the Christians have their own forum!!!  You wouldn't go to the romance forums seeking out mystery readers would you?  No, you would go to the mystery forum.  Geez........

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:51 PM ET
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Amanda, why are you so angry? This is a forum for *all* religions, isn't it? Don't try to kick out one of them. There is a Christian BOOK RECOMMENDATION forum. Isn't this supposed to be where the chit-chat goes?

Why can't we all coexist here, peacefully? Seriously.

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 4:58 PM ET
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I am angry because this thread is ridiculous.  Christy has come in here a number of times being argumentave and pushy about her beliefs, and now she wants to know why people are upset.  It's absurd.  I agree, we should all be able to coexist peacefully.  If people would actually come in here with that intent, it would be great.

 

Here is an example of what I mean....this was posted by Christy recently in the religion and spirituality forum:

Yeah, I did really want to have a discussion with like-minded individuals that believe in the 10 Commandments, if that is in your opinion closed-minded I'm sorry but, dealing with relativity and thinking God is silly and all that blather is not something I want to discuss. 

I didn't leave because I didn't get the answers I wanted, I left because I was saddened by the number of people that are not Christians and are proud of it.  Without Christ in your life I know what your future holds and that saddens me!

I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I believe in the 10 Commandments, I keep them (all 10 of them) to the best of my ability and I believe that when I fall short Jesus makes up the difference.  I look forward to Christ's Second Coming and I want as many of my fellow humans to go with me to live forever with Christ.

There is more than life here on earth and I want everyone to want that...

 

ETA: and while I'm on the subject...I believe that the Bible as we have it today is the inspired word of God and I believe that He expects us to read it and follow it.  It is not just some "good piece of historical fiction" it is true and inspired by God.  And yes, I believe that Christ was the son of God, not just a good man that lived here on earth.

Clearly she is not interested in discussing other people's beliefs.  So why come to this forum, except to proselytize?



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 5:05 PM ET
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I was just thinking about this and Amanda said the thing I was thinking about - how many times have I had to read verses quoted from some other source than the Bible - NONE!!!

Michelle, I can see by your posts that you are a Christian and never once (that I have seen) have you quoted a bible verse in response to a post 

I went to church until recently and I can quote Bible verses, also, but I don't think that is the way to try to bring people into your way of thinking, When I worked in the city we had a woman in our department who was always proseltyzing. She turned more people off than she converted and what a shame it was when she turned off a 19 yr old who had never been to church. I am sure it will be a long time that he shows any interest in being a Christian. She was ridiculed and mocked more than respected.

If people are interested in your religion, they will seek answers to their questions. I am interested in other faiths and I have never had anything shoved down my throat when I have inquired.

Off my soapbox for the time being but this is a subject that irks me not only here but at the workplace.

 

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 5:10 PM ET
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Oh, I can quote scripture, but scripture doesn't generally mean anything to someone who doesn't want to hear it, so I just...don't.  =)

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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 5:16 PM ET
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Exactly, from what I read of your posts, you are more open-minded than the "Christians" who are alwys in the pulpit no matter what the subject.

As you are, I am interested in the cleansing of my house but I don't consider that to be following another religion. Just because I plan on buying the sea salt does not make me less Christian or more Wiccan.

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 5:25 PM ET
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We have plenty of Christians who frequent this forum and can carry on a deep and meaningful spiritual conversation with non-Christians and it never gets heated, at all.  There is a mutual respect.  There are a few people that come into this forum and disregard that.  That is where the trouble starts.  And it should not be that way.  There are several threads here that pose question specifically to Christians.  There are others that pose question to Wiccans, Pagans, etc.  I think that is great.  I think it's honest and upfront.  I loathe manipulation and dishonesty.  It is one thing to see a person who is seeking to learn more about a specific religion and take the time to speak to them about it.  It's quite another to try and convert people that clearly are happy with their choice, or put them down for their choice.  I honestly believe that the people doing this know that are doing it and have just justified it in the name of their religion.  Since I don't share their religion, it doesn't fly with me.  Just my two cents.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 5:34 PM ET
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I'm with Amanda, in all posts above.  Sorry, but you reap what you sow.

Christy wrote: If you don't want to read where someone quotes (that is the correct word folks) Bible verses, aka:  Scripture, then don't read that posting...use your mouse and scroll down over it...you are not required to read it.

Same goes for posts in response to the never-ending proselytization.  No one is forcing you to read them.

 

 

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:04 PM ET
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If we're going to get technical, we are on a book site, and these forums are called "genre" forums.  Which means we should be talking about books that relate to each genre.  I know the Christian forum is called Christian book suggestions, but I don't think it's any more or less for books than any of the other forums.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:09 PM ET
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Brenda wrote: I know the Christian forum is called Christian book suggestions, but I don't think it's any more or less for books than any of the other forums.

It's not, and to claim so is a scarecrow argument, and is just silly.  Discussions on the topic of the genre (and not books, per se) happen in every genre forum.  In Gardening, they talk about what they are planting.  In cooking, they talk about and share recipes.  In True Crime, we discuss cases every now and then.  The Jewish members discuss holiday traditions and other issues relating to Judaism in the Jewish Book forum.  It can be - and is -  done in almost every other forum.

 

 



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:13 PM ET
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And in every forum it degenerates into a religious bashing because of those who continue to use any excuse to proselytze.

I'll never understand how smudging ended up being anti-Christian - OY!

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:14 PM ET
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"Here is an example of what I mean....this was posted by Christy recently in the religion and spirituality forum:"

Yep, I said the things that Amanda has accused me of saying BUT, make note that those things were in a discussion regarding The 10 Commandments, a discussion I started and I felt that hmmmm non-Bible believing individuals hijacked that thread and took it into tangents not related to The 10 Commandments.

To my knowledge and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong...I have not gone into any discussions of Wiccan, Smudging, Satanism, etc and quoted scriptures.  I read some of those posts just out of curiosity but, didn't post anything because I didn't feel that I had anything of interest to post.

I kind of feel this post has been hijacked from the original intent...and if I wasn't clear on my intent let me state it:  If you want to rant and vent about us Christians quoting scripture do so but, please don't be rude about it.  Fighting rudeness with rudeness does not help the matter at all.

And just to surprise everyone yep I've seen where some of the Bible quoting Christians have been a bit over-zealous with their quoting but, please don't hold what a few do against the rest of us.

Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:30 PM ET
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Christy, you asked, in the title of that thread, if people followed the ten commandments.  People either answered yes or no and explained why.  You got upset with the people that said no.  If you only wanted yes answers, you should have asked it to CHRISTIANS ONLY.  You have no place telling people that you don't like their religious beliefs in a place that is open for all to share.  It's plain and simple.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:32 PM ET
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Yep, Amanda, that's exactly what happened.  Her response when someone pointed it out to her?  To tell us how "wrong" we all are:

Yeah, I did really want to have a discussion with like-minded individuals that believe in the 10 Commandments, if that is in your opinion closed-minded I'm sorry but, dealing with relativity and thinking God is silly and all that blather is not something I want to discuss. 

I didn't leave because I didn't get the answers I wanted, I left because I was saddened by the number of people that are not Christians and are proud of it.  Without Christ in your life I know what your future holds and that saddens me!



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:47 PM ET
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Well, let me apologize for offending you...that was the first time I think that I had posted in that type of discussion and actually wasn't thinking that I needed to put as some have "Q for Christians....."  I wasn't at that time interested in opinions from non Bible belieiving non-Christians.

And if you want no comments from us Christians...perhaps you should include that in some manner in the subject line...just a thought since you suggested it to me..

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/5/2008 6:52 PM ET
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If you are addressing your comments to me, I don't have any problem with Christians participating in threads I start.  What I do have a problem with (as do others) are the few who feel the need to proselytize - as I have stated multiple times.



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Date Posted: 5/5/2008 7:54 PM ET
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Well, I did think the "barf" comment was rather offensive.  I presumed it was intended to be offensive, and I really thought it was unfortunate to intentionally offend in that way.  If I am presuming motives that weren't present, then I apologize.

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