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Subject: The "Other Side" of the Wish List.....
Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:05 AM ET
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I have recently finished a book that is on quite a few wish lists.  Why can I not skip the 48 hour waiting lists and send my book to someone who has auto request turned on?  After all, it is my book.  Just curious......

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:09 AM ET
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because the WL is set up to fill requests based on the order they got on the WL. Now if you have a buddy that has it on their WL you can post it directly to them.  The only thing you cannot do is advertise it in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:25 AM ET
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But, see, I have a book that the next person in line has auto request for and I have to wait two extra days to receive a credit (if this person doesn't decline).  If they decline, I'm stuck with my book (without a credit) and the next person goes ahead of me.  I just don't understand the logic of "punishing" (for lack of a better word) me and rewarding the next fellow....

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:36 AM ET
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How do you know the next person has it on AR? That info wouldnt be public. If you saw it on your TBR that isnt nessasarily the next person. It could have been the person you posted to but they may have been out of credits. If they were out of credits it moves to a 48 hour hold to allow them time to buy some. Its fair because everyone is afforded the same time frame if they chose to use it.

Either way it isnt punishing you. Its the way it works right now but there is a wishlist change coming. I dunno when that will be but the new changes are spelled out in the help center. Coming soon: the new Wish List

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:40 AM ET
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The system does not require that people have autorequest on. The first person in line should not be skipped over just because they want to see the order before accepting it.  48 hours is not such a big span of time that it is punishing. Since you say that it has a huge WL, if they decline, you just move on to the next requester, you are not stuck with the book.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:43 AM ET
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But the new changes to the WL, I don't think, will affect the wait time for the sender. 

Like Chris said, there is no way for you to know that the next person in line has it on AR.

I don't understand why you say, "If they decline, I'm stuck with my book (without a credit)" when in your OP you said there are several people wishing for this book...how are you going to be stuck with it?

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:52 AM ET
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When I go to the "Books I've Read" page it lists the book on Auto Request.  On My account page, it is giving a 48 hour wish list wait.  That is how I can tell that the next person is auto request.....sorry for the misunderstanding.  Also, yes, I said there is a long wish list.  What if there was not?  Say, for instance, there were only two on the list and I finished my book prior to you.  My person declines (or fails to respond) in 48 hrs and you have posted your book 31 hours after me and the second requestor is auto, that means that you will send out your book and I'd be stuck with mine. 

This is not a problem that I have - - - just more of a what if???

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:59 AM ET
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If that heppens then you will be first in the FIFO order and the next time it gets ordered from search the order will go to you. Posting books here is never a garuntee of a credit even if its WLed. If it wasnt wishlisted at all you could get an order the day you post it or you could have it sit on your shelf for a decade (if your a member that long into the future.)

The new WL will not effect the hold but it will supposedly effect who will be #1 for it in line. I dont really get the ins and outs but depending on how long its been on your WL and what priority you rate it at a person who wants the book more could be #1 in line.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 6:28 AM ET
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I don't think people should be penalized for not having auto-request on.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 7:06 AM ET
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I don't have any of my wishlist books on auto request.  However, I'm here off and on every day, so no one would have to wait 48 hours for me to accept.  I'm not trying to punish anyone by making them wait!

The one time I've waited before accepting is when I had another version in the mail, and hoped that it would come before the 48 hours was up, so that I could decline in confidence!

I know it's hard to be patient, especially if you really want that credit!

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 8:28 AM ET
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Date Posted: 6/10/2008 8:40 AM ET
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That's right...I've had that happen many times--one or two (or sometimes four or five!) people on the WL and it went through the list, with all wishers declining it so the book went to my bookshelf. It's not punishing you (or me!) though...there is no such thing as a guaranteed credit unless the book has been ordered and you use PBS online mail.

I don't even look anymore to see what's wishlisted...I used to try to read wishlisted books first--not really to get a credit right away, just to "be nice" so I could share the book with someone else who wanted it. It was, I found, an exercise in frustration. So now...I read what I want to read, and to hell with others wishlists. LOL Then I post it, and if someone wants it, great! If not, it sits on my shelf til someone does. Usually if it's been on someone's wishlist, it will get ordered before too much time passes, as your book would be either the only copy in the system or (if more get posted behind you) first in the FIFO line.

Read what YOU want to read and ignore the W's...much less stress. :)

Cheryl

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 8:43 AM ET
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Cheryl WTH I havent seen you around here in forever. *waves like a dork* Hey

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 10:33 AM ET
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Autorequest is no guarantee it'll get accepted.  No autorequest doesn't mean they won't accept.  I've had several get cancelled on me that were autorequest.  People sometimes WL several versions of a book and then forget to take other versions of auto request when one gets posted to them. Or they go out and buy the book and forget until they see the book pending on their Books I've Requested Page.  You can canel a book you've requested up until the label has been printed. 

I don't have any books on auto-request.  I'm here every day and respond quickly. I think I've declined maybe 3 WL offers-they were all because I have my account on hold because of a cross country move I'm making soon.  I have to take my account off hold to post WL books to send out.  A couple times I've had WL offers come up as soon as I go off hold.  I'd rather decline than have those books go lost or get sent back to the sender because they don't forward media mail.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 11:36 AM ET
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But the new changes to the WL, I don't think, will affect the wait time for the sender.

Well, it might in one particular case. If the person at #1 has the book on AR but has no credits, the person will be skipped instead of getting the 48-hour wait. Personally, I think this will be good, because it will allow people to stay at #1 without having to buy a credit when they can't. If a person chooses 48-hour for all their books, they'll be forced to acquire a credit or lose place in line (just like it is now). So there will be kind of a reward system for using AR... If you have no credits you can keep your place in line.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 11:54 AM ET
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Also, as I understand it anything you put on your WL will default to AR, so that will speed things up as well.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:33 PM ET
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I'd put my books on AR if I was going to be unavailable for more than 24 hours (but less than 48) if I could switch them all.

But I can't, and it's not worth the time it would take me to switch them one by one.  After being skipped at SaDVD because I happened to have no credits there at the time--but plenty I could have moved over--I'm even more adamently anti-AR on my own WL than I was.

If they'd institute the ability to "select all" or "change all" I'd move back and forth.  As it is, when I go on vacation I'll just put my entire account on hold.  I'd rather miss a WL book than spend forever switching them to AR, especially as slow as WL books have been recently.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:44 PM ET
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Kayote you dont know how many times I have wished for that ability. Ive even sent it in as a feedback suggestion.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 2:05 PM ET
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Hey Chris! :) I've been offline from home for several months (contrary to popular opinion, it IS possible to live without the internet! LOL) and only able to check in here from work, and work has been nuts, so it's been very infrequent. We did just get back online at home now though, so maybe I'll be around a little more often again. Good to see you and everyone. :)

Cheryl

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 2:08 PM ET
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Cool Ive missed your dancing produce.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 10:39 PM ET
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Also, as I understand it anything you put on your WL will default to AR, so that will speed things up as well.

Even if that is true that the default is AR you still have the option to not keep it on AR....so, that is still no guarentee it will speed things up.

Subject: Wish List
Date Posted: 6/11/2008 12:30 AM ET
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When I get books, I get books.  You should SEE the monutain I have in the bedroom! 

WAVING WILDLY TO CHERYL>>>>GOOD TO "SEE" YOU!!

Date Posted: 6/11/2008 2:35 PM ET
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Even if the system switches to default to ARs, a lot of people will still turn it off - especially the ones who don't send books out but have to buy credits every time they get a book offered to them. We have two accounts in my household - mine and my mom's - and we send out all books through my account simply because it doesn't make sense to have to buy PBS postage for two separate accounts. So my mom has AR turned off and I buddy her credits whenever a wish list book gets offered to her.

Date Posted: 6/12/2008 9:08 PM ET
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I'll probably leave PBS when the new wish list goes into affect. I hate the ranking system on Swap a DVD! It will be easier to just shop library sales.
Date Posted: 6/12/2008 9:14 PM ET
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why not wait and see how it goes here in book swap...with the greater volume of books and the larger membership I have a strong feeling that even though both DVD and PBS will have a ranking system I have a feeling it will have vast differences.

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