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Subject: ? for those with smoking conditions
Date Posted: 5/2/2008 9:10 AM ET
Member Since: 10/6/2005
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Forgive me if I've asked this before b/c I honestly can't remember. If I did I apologize...my memory isn't what it used to be LOL...

First of all, I no longer have a car available to me. My dad's old clunker finally bit the dust so in order for both my parents to keep working my car has been commandeered. So, I've been using PBS postage and mailing everything out from my mailbox. If I absolutely have to I will mail on Saturday but our local post office is closed on the weekends so to mail on a Saturday is a 15 mile drive for me and I'd prefer to avoid it what with current gas prices.

Secondly, my mailman chain smokes while delivering the mail. Everything that spends time in his truck ends up absolutely reeking of cigarettes. There's not much I can do about that, obviously.

So - should I be turning down orders with smoking conditions since I know all my packages are going to be exposed to smoke? Or should I be OK because the odor should wear off in transit? It makes sense that stuff I *receive* is going to reek because he's the last one to handle it. But over the course of the journey to someone else, I'd think the smoke smell would disappate enough not to be a problem. But I'm not sure...so I thought I'd ask those people with smoking conditions how they feel about it. Should I decline smoking conditions? Should I PM people with smoking conditions to ask if they are OK with this situation and let them decide?

Edited to add: So far it has been my experience that the books I receive don't smell bad at all - it's the packaging that reeks, the books are usually fine. But my concern is that someone with severe allergies could react to the packaging as well. Although I suppose that's a chance we ALL take since USPS lets their drivers smoke in their vehicles. It's just that since I happen to know about it, I question it.



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Date Posted: 5/2/2008 9:17 AM ET
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would wrapping the books in plastic help save it from some of the smoke?

I would think that if someone has a no smoking request that you should turn them down because if your mailman chainsmokes and you know how yours smell when they arrive at your house, I don't know if it would wear off enough by the time it reaches someone else.  It could but who really knows!  It would be a chance I don't know if you should take because depending on the person, it may set off severe allergies.

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 9:45 AM ET
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If it were me, I would say any one whose says "no smoking environment" should be turned down. If it is a heavily WLed book, you might accept and them PM them about the mailman, and if they don't want it, cancel the order, repost, and then turn down the RC; but that may be more work than you want to go through. Anyone saying "no current smoking environment" I would accept if you are wrapping in plastic or using some other wrap that would stop the smoke from seeping into the package. If the scent is just on the package, we can toss that and the book will be fine.  For me, I just cannot have the smoke smell soaked into the book where I would have to be smelling it for the whole time I am reading it, thats when I have problems.



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Date Posted: 5/2/2008 10:06 AM ET
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You've turned down my requests in the past because of your postman, and that was probably a good call on your part.  I'm allergic, and the packaging itself would have been a problem for me if it reeked.

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 11:15 AM ET
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Beyond the RC thing, I wonder if there is a way you could complain to your local postmaster.  Pretend you have an allergy to smoke or something.  It doesn't seem fair that your mail should be so stinky!  

But I don't know if that violates the postman's rights or anything.  It IS a government vehicle he's driving....

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 11:15 AM ET
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Can you use the printed postage or stamps on smoking requests and put it in a Blue Box closer to you? 

If not, then I wouldn't accept. If you decline for conditions you keep your place in the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 11:47 AM ET
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Suzanne we are very rural so the postal employees here drive their own vehicles. They actually aren't allowed to smoke in the USPS-owned vehicles I don't think...

Mary even our nearest Blue Box is 5 miles away.

I've PM'd the last two people with smoking conditions that requested from me, and neither of them ever responded. So that really doesn't seem to work very well.

Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 5/2/2008 11:47 AM ET
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I tell you what - I just ordered a book from you. I have a pretty sensitive nose, and my wife is asthmatic (but one cigaretty-package won't put her in the ER). She, too, has a sensitive nose.

I'll let you know how it smells when I get it, and how it smells after I've unwrapped it.

I promise not to mark it RWP because of smoking - it's not even one of my conditions.

Also, I think the big problem for most people is sitting with the book open, a foot from their face, for several hours. My wife is one of the most allergic people in the world (and I'm not saying that lightly - her allergist, one of the top allergists in Chicago who gets a great ranking from those surveys of which doctors other doctors like to go to, says she's near the top of his clients for allergies). I've ordered a book from a smoking home, and after a day or two it's fine.

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 1:14 PM ET
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I'm one of those with the "no smoking" RC's and I wouldn't have a problem with it...would be as someone suggested best for you to wrap the book in plastic.  Also, like someone else mentioned it is sitting there with the book open in your face that the smoke bothers me.

I added on my RC that "smoking postal people don't count." as far as the no-smoking environment.



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Subject: No Smoking Comment
Date Posted: 5/2/2008 3:22 PM ET
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Hi-

I found out a few months ago that as a result of the flu I was diagnosed with Asthma.  I am not as far gone with it as my husband and if the person puts it in plastic or maybe bubble wrap that may cut down on the smell.  The question I have for that person is how do you feel about dog hair? My husband has a Golden Retriever Seeing Eye Dog.

Thanks,

Mel

Date Posted: 5/2/2008 3:26 PM ET
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I have a mild form of asthma and smoke smell on things doesn't bother me so I don't have a non-smoking condition.  I've never gotten a smokey smelling book.  It only really bothers me if I'm in a smoker's house or car or around someone actively smoking. 

 

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 2:22 PM ET
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I have severe asthma and would greatly appreciate not getting a smoked book - smoke, mildew and perfume are in my conditions.  I am not a reseller and I am not being picky - just hate having to take extra meds when it could be avoided.  I would also dearly love just a one line PM as to the reason.  I have been getting turned down left, right and sideways and would love to know the reason because I have seen so many folks state they will not send to people with any conditions.  It's been years since I have gotten a WL book that it is really disappointing and just a kind word would be lovely - I promise to reply!  As for your mailman, shame on him for polluting you mail for you.

 

Warm wishes from chilly Maine - Betsy

 

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 8:09 PM ET
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This is how I handle the smoking question. When someone requests a book from me I accept it (as long as they don't have conditions stating no books from a smoking home) and then PM them and explain that there are people that smoke in this house, I ask them to let me know by 2 days before the date that I'm due to mail the book. So far everyone has responded to please send the book anyways. Only one person I never heard from at all and I let the book time out. For me this has worked out well. And it beats having a book marked RWP even if they had no conditions which I have had happen.



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Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 5/9/2008 6:49 PM ET
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Got the book today - no trace of smoke! Not in the packaging, nor the book itself.

I wouldn't worry about it any more, Bren. The trip in your mail carrier's vehicle isn't doing a thing to
your books.

Date Posted: 5/10/2008 3:32 AM ET
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i do have non-smoking RCs, but that's because i dislike the smell and it would make me a bit ill to try to read a book that smelled like that, but i don't have allergies.  if you're willing to wrap the book in plastic first, i don't think there would be a problem.

i did receive a WL book not that long ago that smelled strongly of smoke, and the person said they have a non-smoking home and it didn't smell of smoke when they shipped it.

i've often wondered if i should add a bit to my RCs about them being due to personal preference, not allergies - and if that would result it being turned down slightly less often.

the first book i ever received from PBS reeked of smoke - which had me adding my RCs almost immediately.  i ended up reading it when i had a cold and couldn't smell it.  :)

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 8:12 AM ET
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Rick I'm glad you didn't have a problem. Unfortunately I have gotten complaints from two other members about smoky smelling books in the past few days. As of today I am now going to turn down anyone with no smoking conditions. I no longer have a car to get to the post office so mailing from there is no longer an option for me.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 11:55 AM ET
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Bren, that's too bad.

I have asthma which is aggravated by smoke.  Not smoky smell, just the actual smoke itself.  I decided not to have RCs because I'd rather take my chances getting smoky books than getting turned down due to RCs.

Of all my swaps, I've only received 2 boxes of books that smelled of smoke.  In one it was very mild and I only smelled it when I flipped through the books to make sure they were OK.  They were fairly new books and probably had not been in a smoky environment long.  The other book reeked--I could smell it through the plastic packaging.  I did nothing special to any of them--just removed the packaging--and the smoke smell dissipated within 2 days.  Now, I couldn't even tell you which books were the smoky ones, as they have no smell anymore, even the really bad one.  So I personally am very happy not to have RCs, although I understand and honor when others do.  I left both boxers very nice feedback too.