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Subject: Smoking/Non-Smoking
Date Posted: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM ET
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I didn't really think about this until I saw people "advertising" their bookshelves and they would say if they were in a smoking or non-smoking home.  As a non-smoker, I would like my books to come from a non-smoking home.  Can you ask that question before you order a book from someone?  And, hypothetically, if they said they are a smoking home and I decline the book, would the next copy be offered to me, or how does that work?

Thanks in advance,

Renae

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 12:10 AM ET
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If you go under Settings you can add conditions to your book requests. You can put in there that you only want books from a non-smoking home.  Be careful how you word it though. Don't ask people to PM you or sniff the book or you'll get a lot of turn downs.  Just say something simple like "please no books currently from a smoking home"

Personally, I don't smoke either and don't have this condition. I've never gotten a smoky smelling book.  I wouldn't bother unless I was really alergic. Some people turn down book requests w/any kind of conditions even if the book meets them. 

If you put conditons in here's how it works:

A: If you get offered a WL book and they turn you down for conditons-you stay #1 on the WL and the book gets offered to the person in line behind you.

B: If you order a book from FIFO and they decline for conditons then the request will go to the next person who has that book posted. 

Becareful ordering from people offering deals in the book bazaar. Find out if they can meet your condtions first. If you order from them and they decline for conditons, the system will automatically order the book from someone else who will not be offering that deal.



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Date Posted: 5/29/2008 12:36 AM ET
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Thanks!

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 2:54 AM ET
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I always turn down requests with this condition. I obtain almost all of my books secondhand and therefore cannot guarantee the environments to which they may have been exposed. My sense of smell isn't very acute due to allergies, so I rarely notice smoke odors that might bother someone else.

Since this is a swap site, I would assume many, if not most, of the books have been through several reads. Who knows what they've been through. Other members like myself may not be willing to take the risk of having to refund a credit after sending a book.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 7:11 AM ET
Member Since: 7/31/2007
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Alan...it really isn't fair of you to turn down all smoking related RCs because like mine says...Currently in a smoking home...note that does not ask you to know the history of the book...that simply means if you yourself or someone in your home smokes.

people need to not read things into RC's...like someone had the experience when she put "not currently in a smoking home due to allergies" someone turned her down because she had a dog and might be allergic to that....good grief that is dumb. 

The key is people need to be specific about their conditions and senders need to not read things into them. 

Play fair...sender and requestor...

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 9:26 AM ET
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Alan, I agree with Christy.  I have a no smoking RC but it only asks for CURRENT households to be non-smoking...as in where the book is right now.  I do not expect everyone to know the history of the book.  now if you just got the book from a friend that smokes like a chimney then ok, I can see turning that book request down.  But if you don't smoke then the book is fine to send.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 9:52 AM ET
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Well, I agree with Alan.  The reason being, I get some of the books I list from used bookstores, yardsales, goodwill, library, etc. and post them the day I get them in hopes I can get a credit and in turn, get a book I want to read.  I don't know if they have been in a smoking home recently or not and I can't afford to lose postage or a credit either.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 9:58 AM ET
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But, Deonne when the RC says "currently in a smoking home" you would not be risking your credit by sending the book because the book is currently in your home and if you or anyone in your home does not smoke you would be well within that condition.  Honestly, unless we get the book from a friend none of us know what the book was exposed to prior to it coming into our home.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 10:02 AM ET
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What I am saying is I buy books, put them on the bookshelf, and many are on wishlists and go out immediately.  Is "currently" really only one day?   I just don't want to take that chance.  Postage is alot for me.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 10:51 AM ET
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Unfortunately, I have to say that I also agree with Alan and Deonne because of personal experiences.  I have always turned down requests that stated  they could not accept books that have been exposed to smoke as I do not know the previous environment of the books I have.  Most of my books are from thrift stores, garage sales, etc.  and I know that I do not have an acute sense of smell. 

However, I had read quite a few posts asking to please not turn down requests that state "currently in a smoking home" .  Recently I had two requests that clearly stated "not currently in a smoking home" and one even went further to state they know that you cannot possibly know the previous environment of the book, just that it is currently not in a smoking home.  I accepted both requests and sent the books as my home is not a smoking home. 

One book was marked received with problem, did not meet requestor conditions.  This was a hardcover with dust jacket in almost mint condition.  The other was a box of books that I was notified smelled like smoke.  I know that one or two of the books sent in the box I had just acquired in the past day or two and realize now they may have been the problem.  I feel bad about that and will make it right with the other boxer. 

From now on though, I will not accept any request that mentions smoking.  It would be too hard to keep track of my books and how long each one had been in my home before sending out.  It just seems better for both parties, so I don't have to return a credit and the person receiving doesn't get a book that smells bad to them. 

 

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 11:21 AM ET
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Date Posted: 5/29/2008 12:15 PM ET
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Deb: I would not have refunded the credits in those instances. I would have stated "my home is a non-smoking one and what happens to the book afterwards is out of my hands". The smoke smell could have come from a postal worker along the books journey to their new home. 

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 12:15 PM ET
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I have never turned down anyone with RCs and have never had a complaint about any of my books.  I seriously don't think most people are really all that picky, and most won't care if the book was in a smoking home before yours.  Just my two cents.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 1:14 PM ET
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I'm afraid of adding any RCs to my account, because I know some people turn down any requests with RCs attached, on principle... I did receive one book, though, that was so drenched with smoke that I would need a Tylenol just to read it :P So I've been reconsidering my position. In the end, though, I think I'd rather have to deal with the occasional smoky book than lose out on books I want because people won't accept requests with RCs.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 3:25 PM ET
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I have a RC that I dont want books that smell like smoke.  I don't care if the person smokes, as long as the books don't smell.  I haven't had one turned down yet!

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 4:19 PM ET
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Lori your lucky that folks haven't turned you down for a RC that states "smells like smoke" because that is a really vague RC and I would consider that one to be a risky one to send a book too.

Personally and I know there are those that will think this is wrong but, I think it is actually a lie to say that your book does not meet conditions in regards to "not currently in a smoking home" when your home is not a smoking home but, you think that those with that RC are picky and you don't want to risk it.  If you are going to turn it down be honest and say, I don't send to people with RC's.

Deb, I too would not have returned the credit...your home as you say is not a smoking home..flat out that met the conditions.  As Mary said, there are a number of things that could have caused the books to smell like smoke after you had mailed it...such as there is one person that says their postal person chain smokes and so their books may smell like smoke when they get to the requestor.

Deonne said, "What I am saying is I buy books, put them on the bookshelf, and many are on wishlists and go out immediately.  Is "currently" really only one day?"  The answer to that is Yes...the book is currently in you home, I know with my RC I state that you do not have to know the history of the book...it is currently in your home so, yes that meets the RC.

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 5:41 PM ET
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I just had to turn down an order for 5 books!  Earlier today, I got an order "no heavy smoker" that one I sent because there is not a heavy smoker in house.  6 smokes a day, not in the room with my books.  So, ok on that one.  The one I just turned down said "not from a smoking home".  So, I think I did right on both accounts......No matter how many times this gets discussed it is confusing.  Requesters need to be specifc - not "books that smell like smoke" because the person who smokes can't really tell if it smells bad or not!

Date Posted: 5/29/2008 6:02 PM ET
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I've tried to be as clear as possible and to cover all the bases...did I miss anything?

These are my Requestor Conditions regarding smoking...

 

Please due to allergies to smoke (not pets) I cannot receive books that are currently in a smoking home (you don't have to know the history...if no one smokes in your house then yes, I want the book).  Even if you just bought the book at a Garage Sale, Thrift Store, FleaMarket...if there isn't someone in your house that smokes, YES I want the book.

The following Do Not count as a  "smoking home":   (1) 'wood-burning' stove;  (2) smoking postal carrier.



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Date Posted: 5/29/2008 7:11 PM ET
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Yeah, like that Christy!  That's good, that is not debatable or confusing!