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Subject: Soliciting credits
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 12:52 AM ET
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I know that there are rules governing credit borrowing, and that they are posted in the Book Bazaar. Do these rules apply to people soliciting credits to be "given" to them? It's something that has rubbed me the wrong way lately, and I would like to have clarification on the subject.
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:28 AM ET
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I was under the impression that soliciting credits to be "given" was against the rule and could get a individual suspended or kicked off the site.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:33 AM ET
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Are you sure they meant actually giving? Because I could see someone using "give" to descibe borrowing. Not everyone thinks before they post.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:45 AM ET
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Lisa, I have noticed a lot of "soliciting" lately too. Unless it is a member I personally have seen post a lot, or been around for a long time, I won't give credits to people who ask.

I have sent credits to people because of posts they have made, or just as a RAOK. But really, the club is set up to work a certain way, and it seems like some of the newer members are trying to bypass that. Usually the site monitors will step in if they notice something like this and give the member a time out or inform them of the rules.

This is different than someone asking to borrow a credit, usually they are long time members, and will pass it on, or pay it back.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:06 AM ET
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I've seen a lot of posts too for people asking to borrow credits....my thought is that if you need credits buy them (lots of people offering to sell some in the bazaar) or offer a book deal in the bazaar or something. 

Now I have lent credits to some of my buddies knowing they would pay me back when they had one (perhaps one was in limbo) but it is a rare thing.

 



Last Edited on: 11/7/08 10:07 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:55 AM ET
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The rules governing this are posted in the book bazaar sticky thread:

Requests to "lend a credit". Members sometimes ask for credits to be lent to them.   This is okay as long as members follow these rules:

  • The original post in the topic should specify clearly (1) how many credits are needed (maximum 6) and  (2) a timeframe to repay them. 
  • Any members who lend credits in response to these threads must post in the topic that they have given credits, and how many.  
  • When the member who asked for a loan has gotten the credits she needs, she must edit the topic title and the original post to say "Thank you--no more replies needed!" .
  • No member should post a topic asking to borrow credits more than once per month, and can do this a maximum of 2 months in a row.  So it is okay to ask in January and again in February, but that same member cannot ask again after that until April.
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who expects repayment should send a PM saying "I have lent you [x number of] credits - pay me back when you can". 
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who does NOT expect repayment should include in her PM "I have sent you [x number of credits] - no need to repay".
  • These credit loan topics may not appear anywhere but Book Bazaar. The original poster may bump the topic if she needs to only once.

As far as I know, there are no rules about just begging for credits...but maybe there should be!



Last Edited on: 11/7/08 10:56 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 11:12 AM ET
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I too have seen members asking that 1 or more credits be given--to them, or someone else.

I do not know the rules regarding that situation. Sometimes when people ask, they have been jumped on for it. Other times, it seems they get what they want. Sometimes when a rule is broken, someone nicely explains it to the offender and they fix it.

It used to bother me when people asked. It doesn't anymore. I usually ignore the request. Sometimes it is someone I have become acquainted with in the forums and I feel like being a friend to them, so I give them one. I usually buy my credits on sale and they are not that much to me, but I know others for whom the cost of postage and credits is a burden.

If a friend or even acquaintance in real life felt like they needed a couple bucks (or $3) badly enough to ask me for it, I would likely give it if I had it. If they later want to return it, I accept it. I would rather give a small gift than bother with trying to keep track of a small loan.



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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 12:42 PM ET
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I often give credits when I see that someone needs one.   To me it doesn't hurt anyone to ask - as long as you are following PBS guidelines.   No one is obligated to give.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:23 PM ET
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Lisa--

To answer your question directly (I saw the post you're thinking of), folks who have come and strictly "begged" for credits (not asked for a loan, just flat out asked) have, in some cases, had their accounts cancelled.  Folks who solicit money for other cause can also have their accounts cancelled.

I have no problem with the "OMG the book I MUST have has just been offered -- can someone loan me a credit until X day" -- it happens to a lot of us, under Murphy's Law.  I've given out plenty of credits to regular members and never been repaid, which is fine.  It is the "I'm broke, just gimme your hard-earned credits, why should I repay?" requests that bother me too, like you.  I think, in the spirit of PBS's rules, they are not permissible and should be reported, rather than supported.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:35 PM ET
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Lisa, I saw the posts you were talking about...they rubbed me the wrong way too. Posts asking to borrow credits is fine with me, I see them all the time. The ones just asking for a handout irks me.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:43 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:59 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 5:49 PM ET
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I'm sorry if I'm the one you are talking about.  Most of the time, I'm asking if somone has a book lying around that is unpostable and then they are given to me as gifts and told not to repay.  I did ask for a credit for myself a couple of days ago and I am sorry that I did, I never meant to have to ask, I was out of money and no way to post anything.  I thanked the person profusely and consider her a friend.  I did ask for my sister ONLY because she is my sister and I know that she hasn't been able to order anything in a long, long time.  I feel very ashamed that this thread has been created in my thoughts because of me.  I thought when people gave me credits it was because they wanted to, because it was considered RAOK and not this.  But I won't ask for any more from here on out, even to borrow.  I don't like the taste it has in my mouth when it's like an obligation or something they later regret...

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:07 PM ET
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There is nothing wrong with asking. There are times when I have DC' s that I'm waiting to be scanned & a WL book gets posted to me. I'm not ashamed to ask to borrow a credit. Remember this: 'Sharing is caring'.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:20 PM ET
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Thanks Erin! 

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:43 PM ET
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I have given a credit when it is asked for.  I would hope someone would do the same for me.  I don't see what the big deal is.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:45 PM ET
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I guess it would be a big deal if someone were taking advantage of someone else, but that wasn't what I was trying to do.  I'm sorry if it appeared that way. 

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:48 PM ET
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I don't know what you did or didn't do Angie.  But, you have apologized so that should be enough.  But, I'm the type that's easy going, it takes alot to get to me.  And they can always ignore you if they want.  Isn't that what the ignore button is for?

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 7:11 PM ET
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I agree with Terri, this kind of asking seems like it belongs in a PM, not here in the forums. Being a member here for a bit, I have been fortunate to make friends with quite a few real nice people, but even then, there are only a few that I would PM and ask for a credit gift from. If I need credits, I can buy them or put my shelf on hold until I have enough to cover my wishlist books. The problem I have is it makes me feel like a captive audience, like the phone ringing during dinner with the telemarketer on the line. Yes I can ignore it, and often do, but PBS is a place to escape all the commercialism.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 7:12 PM ET
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I have loaned a few credits and given a few credits here and there when I feel like it.  If you read the fourms enough, you get a feel for the people that regularly are asking to borrow credits.  You also get a feel for the person by the kind of post they make asking.

I'm more apt to loan or buddy a credit to a newbie because I remember how credit poor I was when I first joined.  I always ask that they pay it forward for some other newbie sometime who's in need of a credit at some future point.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 7:20 PM ET
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I think that's a good policy!  We are all new when we first come here and I commend you for being that way! :)

THank you guys for your feedback! :)

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 7:28 PM ET
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My feeling is that requests like the ones mentioned above (a plea to be given a credit--not lent) should probably go in the RAOK thread or sent as a blast PM to the individual's own buddies. I do think it is fine to ask to borrow a credit within the guidelines outlined above. Yes, everyone can have an occasion OUTSIDE OF THE NORM where they need to borrow. I don't have a problem with this. This is a book trading site, and if you're not trading, you probably will run out of credits. I do hope that this gets addressed and incorporated into the soliciting and borrowing rules.
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:02 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:07 PM ET
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If YOU don't want to give/loan a credit to someone, then simply don't.   The few that don't like it do not get to tell the rest of us what to do.   IF they follow the guidelines and someone WANTS to loan/give them a credit it should not affect you in any way.    Until PBS says otherwise, it's ok on this site and people shouldn't be slammed for doing so.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:15 PM ET
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Actually, Cozi, I thought PBS did say otherwise. I know of a few accounts that have been closed and/or suspended for asking for credits...not a loan, but an outright gift. I thought multiple requests for "gifts" was taboo....maybe I am wrong.

 

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