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Subject: Can someone tell me why ?
Date Posted: 2/8/2014 10:34 PM ET
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Most months in the love and romance forum ( not all)  We have a recurring thread that says" month,2014 is this on your bookshelf" ?  we list books we are looking for. PBS edited it saying thats not allowed. For as long as I can remember ,we have always had that.

I can understand that they edited the ones I put in Contemporary & historical romance. Did not no it when i put those ones in. but I get it.Why the one in the recurring thread?

It sounds like someone didnt like it and reported it. and they edited them all.  is that why?



Last Edited on: 2/8/14 10:35 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/8/2014 10:37 PM ET
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It is most likely that someone asked for a WL book.  That is usually what gets those threads closed down.  We can offer, we cannot ask.

Date Posted: 2/8/2014 10:39 PM ET
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I didnt ask for a wish list book . I do no thats not allowed.  they were books on my reminder list. and if someone else asked they should have edited " that one not mine.  . the other person was not asking for WL books either.



Last Edited on: 2/8/14 10:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/8/2014 10:51 PM ET
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Just trying to undersstand..

Date Posted: 2/8/2014 11:42 PM ET
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The message in the thread  says it was edited because offering or requesting deals need to be in the bazaar or the red sticky thread.  Maybe whoever edited your message thought you were asking for a deal.

Date Posted: 2/8/2014 11:51 PM ET
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I apologize, Lisa. It seems my asking for a deal is what may have got it closed. The books were NOT wl books tho. They both have multiple copies available to order. I've used the monthly "is this on your bookshelf"  in the love & romance forum many many times  since 2008 asking for deals from fellow romance readers just as many other members have without any issues. I'm not sure when the change occurred or where we were notified of this change, but I'm aware now & will be sure to stick with the bb forum. Because most of the genre forums still have multiple separate threads of members asking for deals  going it may just be someone got their panties in a bunch & decided to report this particular one ... idk. :)

Date Posted: 2/9/2014 11:42 AM ET
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Its okay Leann , I didnt know that there was a change.because I've used the thread "IS this on your bookshelf many times myself.

Date Posted: 2/9/2014 12:13 PM ET
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I used to use that thread all the time a few years ago! It was a great way to find books I didn't have in a series and help out others who needed something. Most we're deals. It was very popular but I noticed it waned over the years. Perhaps a new person on "the team"  not familiar with the longtime premise took a disliking to it or maybe because it doesn't have pages of participants like it did several years ago. I think that the deals only in the BB has been around forever and never caused issues with the the read. 

Not that I've used it lately, but could someone official find out why (no guesses, the actual reason) and post here? I'm curious. 



Last Edited on: 2/9/14 12:20 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/9/2014 7:42 PM ET
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The rules for the Genre Forums in the red stickies at the top about not posting about Bookshelves (advertising, etc) have been there for a very long time, over 5 years for sure.

Please post your book deals, offers and bookshelf promotions here!

Deals, offers and promotions in the main thread may be deleted without warning.

The Genre forums were meant for discussion, not book advertising (which I guess ISO falls into too). Yes, they are not regularly enforced, but once in a while someone may complain or something else triggers someone to go in and edit posts that are not allowed in the Genre Forums. Some Forums are overrun with books offers/requests, some are kept clean. They seemed to leave them alone unless someone starts asking/offering things they shouldn't.

You can always send in Feedback to find out the exact reason something of yours was removed. I've always assumed they sent an email to the person on an edited post to tell them what the problem was so that they don't do it again and don't just go back in and repost stuff they aren't supposed to be posting.

Date Posted: 2/10/2014 12:21 AM ET
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You can always send in Feedback to find out the exact reason something of yours was removed. I've always assumed they sent an email to the person on an edited post to tell them what the problem was so that they don't do it again and don't just go back in and repost stuff they aren't supposed to be posting.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, I didn't have anything on that thread so no one would contact me. I haven't used it in awhile. But it's a thread like the genre WL threads that has been there for years. It was not sporadic, it was every month; an updated new thread would go up on what non-wishlisted romance books we were all looking for in that forum. I'm sure TPTB knew about it 5 or 6 years ago - I mean, when you have a thread for several years running, every single month, it becomes an expected fixture. Nothing was "overrun" - it was one thread with all posts contained in the thread.

((Shrugs))

I guess they'll come take away the genre WL threads next  given that's not strictly discussion either ...... it's too bad because those are the types of threads that initially draw some people to the forums - they want their genres "contained" not all over the place like the BB. I've watched some of these active genre forums become a mere skeleton of what they used to be. A  couple are kept alive by a very active core group of people but most of us now go to genre forums on other websites these days because there is just no activity here.

Not everyone wants to thumb through the total lack of organization that is the WL Multiples thread in the BB or the other multiple-genre threads that list everything under the sun. It's frustrating. By the end of the month those threads are a lot of pages and I personally look at the last page only each time I go look. I like things separated into genres, hence, why I would rather see things in the genre forums than all bunched up together in the BB.

 

 

Date Posted: 2/10/2014 8:00 PM ET
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I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, 

No, I was talking to the OP who asked the question on why her post was edited.

Yes, there are threads in the Genre forums - like the WL threads - that are monthly are also against the rules. Yes, they know about all the monthly threads that are against the rules. For the most part, they have very little traffic compared to the overall site and have little effect on anything, so the site has said they aren't going to bother them unless they become a problem. The only time they've done anything in the past is if someone complains or something else that prompts them to have to go in there. Then - everything that is against the rules written out for all the members to see is fair game for them to edit/delete. As long as the WL thread continue as they are, I don't see them bothering them.

If a member doesn't understand why their post was edited, they just need to send in Feedback and ask. Though if a post is clearly against a rule that is posted somewhere, it can probably be assumed that rule was why. Since the OP did not seem to think she violated any rules, sending in Feedback might shed some light on what the problem was.

The BB WL Multiples is a compromise. NO offering of WL books at all, OR they get offered in a moderated thread under rules (that have unfortunately expanded due to members trying to take advantage of the situation and other members).  I personally quit using the Genre Forum WL threads because there weren't any rules being enforced there and I was getting a very high percentage of unpostable books, others' mileage may be different, but that is what I found a few years ago when I quit using them.

Date Posted: 2/11/2014 10:58 PM ET
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 that are monthly are also against the rules.

I'm not sure they are against the rules - rather they are an exception. If this has changed, then "the site" needs to announce this.

I remember when they started - especially the paranormal one, and permission was granted for that thread to be done. It wasn't done in a clandestine manner - permission was asked, permission was granted, as far as I remember. It's my assumption the one in the Love and Romance forum was the same, and so was the now-defunct mystery WL thread. Oh, and there is one in the historical fiction forum as well.

This wasn't done behind anyone's back in a sneaky manner. If "the site" has now decided that these threads are now against the rules and rules are being broken then "the site" needs to come out and at least state that it's a "post at your own risk" deal with the threat of it being taken down whenever "the site" wants because all of a sudden rules are being broken.

I'm actually surprised you've gotten an overload of unpostable WL books from the genre threads. Most of us "know" each other, communicate regularly (at least when I was there for many years - and I just stopped using them a few months ago) and are regular posters so we wouldn't think of sending unpostables to anyone. Now I find the one in the Book Bazaar to be full of people I have no idea who they are and have gotten several unpostables from there. I don't find it anymore "regulated" than using the WL forum threads or sending a book FIFO. Post a WL book to someone's WL, it gets sent and it gets marked received when it arrives. It's all the same process. It's all the same arbitrary measures if someone accuses another of sending an unpostable book.

 

 



Last Edited on: 2/11/14 11:02 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/12/2014 12:31 AM ET
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Your memory is quite different than mine. No one asked permission for the WL threads in the Genre Forums, I am fairly certain of that.  I'm not going to dig through 7 years of email and threads to find where the discussions with them was, but I distinctly remember them saying they were aware of the WL threads in the Genre Forums (before the BB WL ever existed), the threads were against the rules of offering/asking for postable WL books in the forums (and also against the red sticky rules) but that they had very little effect on the site's overall activity so unless they became problems they would continue to allow them to be there.  Quite frankly, I don't see how it matters, they've allowed the threads to be there and will continue to leave them there unless they see problems that need dealing with (just like any other problem that crops up on the site and needs something adjusted to deal with it). There isn't a change, they haven't now decided anything, the policy has always been there.

As I said, I quit using the Genre WL a few years ago because of unpostables, I can't say to what people are doing now. If you are getting unpostables through the Bazaar Multiples and not saying anything to Amanda and I, well there isn't much we can do to stop a member from trading the unpostables in there if we don't know they are doing it. If a member is caught breaking the rules there and its known, they are talked to and banned from using the thread if they don't listen.