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Subject: Someone "wishing" for the book they are supposedly sending you???
Date Posted: 7/11/2010 11:47 PM ET
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Ok so I have this book on my wish list. Once I was offered it. The person waited the full 5 days to say they could mail it later. Then 1 day before they were suppose to mark it mailed they cancelled the order. I go back on the wait list at #8. Which i didn't get. So then I get offered it again. This time the person who has it also has it and the two books before it in the series on their wishlist. I feel like people are listing it to move people on the waiting list to hold so they can jump ahead. If I cancel I have to start on the wish list all over again. What should I do? There should be a feature that won't let you order or wish for a book you have on your list to give to others.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 12:12 AM ET
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that does sound kind of suspicious ... but I can think of 1 or 2 circumstances that might be legitimate ....

1. you are waiting for a certain edition of the title on your WL, you receive a different edition from someone, and you decide just to offer it to someone else while you wait for your edition to be offered to you.

I have done that a few times when I am waiting for a hardcover version of a book, but I might come across the paperback at a FOL sale or something and offer it, or perhaps I already have the paperback, decide that I want the hardcover, and then offer the paperback.

As to why they offer it and don't send it ... don't have a clue.

if you think it is very suspicious, then report it to PBS and explain your concern, they can check the other members account and see if there is a suspicious pattern.

Whatever is going on ... I would not worry about it being a common issue, though. I've never heard of anyone doing this, and it is also very rare that books are offered and not mailed (it does happen, sure, but I have to say that in the more than 600 that I have ordered, maybe 3 to 5 had a cancel on the mailing, so not something to be real worried about, I would think.)



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Date Posted: 7/12/2010 12:35 AM ET
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1. you are waiting for a certain edition of the title on your WL, you receive a different edition from someone, and you decide just to offer it to someone else while you wait for your edition to be offered to you.

I've done that as well, especially with intended keepers.

As to why they offer it and don't send it ... don't have a clue.

Maybe they posted it before reading it, then they decided they wanted to read it after all.  If that's what happened the first time it's still very sketchy, once they did offer it the honorable thing to do would be to follow through.  A couple of times something similar has happened to me, I'll post a book I haven't read, someone orders it, I'll dig it out, read the cover blurb and think, 'hmm, sounds interesting, I'd like to read that' ... but then I just read very, very quickly and send it on its way. :)

I'm not sure how people would be able to jump ahead the WL by doing things like this.  Once they cancel the order you'll go back to your original spot at the head of the line.  Unless they're #2 and expect it to be posted within the week or so they leave you in limbo, in which case they'd be getting the book very shortly anyhow.

In any case, I hope it all works out and you're able to get your book soon.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 2:41 AM ET
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It could also be that they had multiple ISBNs on their Wish List, and they received a version of the book but forgot to remove the other ISBNs off their wish list.

Subject: Wishlist confusion
Date Posted: 7/12/2010 2:59 AM ET
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I've only recently started using the WL function so don't know/understand how all its quirks work.  But the 3 WL I have been offered had the other versions on WL automatically put on hold (by the system, not me) while the offer transaction was being made.  Then once I marked book received, the versions on hold disappeared from the WL.

What I've heard from some of the long time members is that you could have been #1 for an offer because 7 folks in front of you had their WL on hold when the book became available, and then by the time your transaction was cancelled, their wishes were active again so they again so up ahead of you.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 3:15 AM ET
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I've only recently started using the WL function so don't know/understand how all its quirks work.  But the 3 WL I have been offered had the other versions on WL automatically put on hold (by the system, not me) while the offer transaction was being made.  Then once I marked book received, the versions on hold disappeared from the WL.

yes, that is a fairly new feature of the Wish List. But it only works if the system has linked the other editions of the book to each other. There are many books that are not linked together, although they should be.

So, although it is a really cool feature, if the system does not have the books linked together, it doesn't work.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 9:00 AM ET
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Thanks for your answers. It was a case of me requesting a paperback and them wishing for a hardcover. I was just worried after waiting 10 days before and having the person cancel. Thanks.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 9:40 AM ET
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You can't rely on it to automatically delete other versions.  I think it's only done it once for me. I have no binding preferences and so WL pretty much every version I can. 

Someone who did what you were suggesting probablly wouldn't last long on PBS.  A high number of cancellations and time outs would cause a review of their account. PBS would probaly close someone down if they were trying to manipulate the system like that.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 9:56 AM ET
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I don't think there's any problem at all. It's entirely possible that the person read the book in paperback, liked it so much that they wanted to have it in Hardcover on their keeper shelf, so wishilisted all of them in the series in hardcover only, then posted the paperback for someone else to enjoy. I've done that before.

You are mixing up several different issues, none of which are really related. Just because one person cancelled out on you doesn't mean this person will. The other person may have noticed just before getting ready to send the book that it wasn't postable--maybe something had spilled on it or they noticed it was ripped or missing pages or something. A PM would have been nice, but isn't mandatory.

The other issue of why you went to #8 on the wishlist when the order was cancelled has been explained already. I don't think any of these things are necessarily related.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 10:49 AM ET
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I think they would also want to keep you out of the line longer if they were trying to jump the line like that. If they were really running a scam, they'd mark it mailed and let you wait the month to receive it so they were sure to get the next posted copy. Sounds like a fairly fast moving book if you've already been offered another copy. I wouldn't worry too much about it since you're already up to receive another copy. It would be pretty bad luck if this second person also canceled on you.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 12:11 PM ET
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Well, another scenario could be what I did yesterday...

I posted a wish list book and got this absolutely over-the-top (in my opinion, anyway, for a used book swap) RC, wanting the book to be in like new condition with a whole bevy of requirements to match this. The book I posted was like new (to me, anyway, it looked like a brand new book), but I was iffy about sending it because I was sure that with enough scrutiny and a trip through media mail the book would arrive with SOMETHING "wrong" with it and I didn't want to deal with RWAP. I was simply curious to see how many people were wishing for it before I turned down the request (and for some reason it wasn't showing up on the listing for the book, sometimes weird things happen between my computer and this site), so I added it to my wishlist...and then forgot to take it off until I saw this thread :).  There were 5 more people wishing for it, so I felt OK bypassing the person with the in-depth RC.



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Date Posted: 7/12/2010 4:15 PM ET
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Sara, you don't need to add it to your WL to see the number of wishers. Just look up the book and click on its page.

Date Posted: 7/12/2010 4:46 PM ET
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 I go back on the wait list at #8. Which i didn't get.  - the answer to this one is pretty easy, you were #8 when you were offered the book.  With the implemetation of the Wish List Hold feature, I think it will become very common that people at the front of the line are on Hold while people further down the Wish List line are getting the offers. I think I currently have 2 or 3 that I am in the top 5, but have on Hold while I wait to get/read some of the ones before it in the series.

The posting of a paperback while wishing for a Hard Cover is also an easily explained scenario as other's have shown. Posting the paperback to you would not affect their wish on the HC in any way because the Wish Lists are separate for them.



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Date Posted: 7/13/2010 12:40 AM ET
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Sara, you don't need to add it to your WL to see the number of wishers. Just look up the book and click on its page.

She said it wasn't showing up for her on the book's listing.

It could also be someone checking to make sure it really has zero wishers. I know sometimes it will say something like 24 wishers and then I put it on my WL and I'm 29. So I suppose they could be checking that way to make sure the system was updated or something.