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Subject: Special Conditions
Date Posted: 8/20/2009 8:14 PM ET
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Am I the only one that think special conditions are a little nuts?

I mean a credit is worth $3.45 ( actually less since people are selling them for as low as $2.60)   and it cost $2.38 to ship the book.  That means people are selling the book for $1.07 (or maybe as low as $0.22).  

I mean come on people if it mets the standard site conditions then it should be ok.  I pretty much auto deny special conditions as I view it as to much trouble when 15 people want the book.  Why deal with the SC, when the next person is going to be ok with just the site standard.

Worse case is you can't repost the book (and you can likely get your credit back then)...which means you are out $1 or less worst case.  Yet, you still got to read the book.

-SWUSC

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 8:35 PM ET
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It's certainly your perogative if you want to auto-deny RCs, but since the site works on a FIFO system, requestors want to make sure they're getting a book that they are comfortable having in their hands.

Do you have examples of RCs that are too extreme? I'm having a difficult time sympathizing with you.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 8:36 PM ET
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Well, some people mind them, and some people don't. I don't really mind, one way or the other. If my books meets the conditions I send it, and if not, I don't.

Either way, i don't worry about it too much!

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 8:46 PM ET
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Welcome to PBS -

This topic has been covered many times on this forum and CMT and there are strong views on both sides. .   Most Requestor Conditions I receive cover tobacco smell or pet allergies which I appreciate. However, their RC needs to specific because smell is subjective.  If I receive an RC that repeats the guidlines I accept because the my books meet guidlelines.  If the RC requests like new conditions I decline because this is a used book site and I am meeting the PBS guidelines and like new is subjective.   Also some RC have to do with dust jackets on their HC which I understand because I like dust jackets though I don't have an RC about it.

Also if members  prepetually send out books that don't meet PBS guidelines and books are marked RWAP by the requestor  - the senders account could be in jeporady. 

I read each RC and I decline only when I don't think my books meet the RC.  Other members differ with their views and decline like you do.   Again - it is personal preference how each member handles the RC

Here are some related links -you can see how heated it can become.   I am sure you will enjoy PBS

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=171615

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=172868

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=171615

 

 

 



Last Edited on: 8/20/09 8:47 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:33 PM ET
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well the person waited almost the full 48 hour wait limit to accept the wish list book, then has a super long list of junk for special conditions... I didn't even bother really reading it. I just said no and let the next person in line have have the book.   I mean I am not going to read a page plus of conditions to send a book.... If it was something like No Pet/Smoke or please put in a quart size bag to protect against water, then fine.   If you are actually making like a list of extra condition demands for a used book that is being sold for a $1, then I am like whatever.

-SWUSC

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:34 PM ET
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As a member who has RC's, concerning dustjackets, I hope that members like you do decline. I would much rather receive the book from members who will honor my RC's. I have the right given by PBS to have an RC, just like a member has the right given by PBS to decline the RC request.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:40 PM ET
Member Since: 7/31/2007
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Stuart..welcome to PBS!!  I'd like to know some of the RC's that you think are nuts???  I mean is it nuts that I request not to get books that aren't currently in a smoking home because I'm very allergic to cigarette smoke or that I need trade size books only because due to arthritis I can't hold the MMPB...???

While it is your right to choose to auto-deny RC's I think it is rude to blanket them all as "nuts"!!

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:50 PM ET
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I'm kind of with you on the long RCS.  I mean I get the no-smoking, no dust jacket thing. But if you need to write a full page of RCS then you are just too picky (unless its the required one for an APO/FPO address).  If it's really long I don't read it, I just decline. I skimmed a long one recently and there was talk about campfires and stuff that has nothing to do with swapping books.  It should only take a sentence or two to say "no-smoking environment, dust jacket please".  There's no need to write a novel.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:52 PM ET
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The site allows them so I simply don't let them bother me.   I read them and if my book fits - I send it.  If not, I don't.  Simple and not something I spend a lot of time debating.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 9:59 PM ET
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Christy... you are right.

If you list simple stuff then I think that is fine... but I am serious this thing was nuts.   I mean if you list out a ton of requirements, then I am thinking you just want a free book ( I mean anything not new isn't going to pass a list like that) or you should just say new books only.   The last SC had to be close to two pages in sentence form.   Look at it from the sender's point of view... 15 people want the book, which you know is used... yet you are wanting them to subject it to two pages of test to met your requirements... why bother when they can just send it to the next person on the list?

If I had sent the book, then I am sure they would have found something wrong with it when compared to that list.  They would have gotten the book and kept the credit... sticking me with no book and out the money for postage.   Why should I bother?

If you do a RC, then it needs to be clear, short, and fair.

 

 

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 10:03 PM ET
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I agree with the clear, short and fair.  Just about every RC I've run across has been just that.  I've only once had to decline a RC because they wanted a book from a home with no pets (allergies) and I have cats and a dog.  I don't let them read my books but they definitely do investigate stuff so I can't guarantee they haven't given it their rub of approval.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 10:30 PM ET
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I have never ran across a RC that is more than a couple sentences long. PBS allows them. They don't bother me. Don't like RC's? Just decline it. No need to let it bother you!

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 10:32 PM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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Welcome to PBS Stuart!  You're learning fast :-)  

If your book doesn't meet RC - just decline, if it's too long to bother reading - decline, if (like me) you are offended by members asking for new books only - decline, if it's not clear & understandable - decline, if you're having a bad hair day - feel free to decline...it's ok, really!  Members with long rambly RC's may get frustrated at the number of good books they've missed and buy a clue :-)

OMG Mary, I may have recently declined that RC also...although you apparently skimmed farther than I before pushing the decline button lol!

PS - there's no excuse for poorly worded RC's, PBS has some extremely talented members willing to assist those like myself with zero writing talent. Just ask in this forum.   I've seen them take a handful of vague thoughts and restrictions, and produce wonderful, short, polite, and concise RC's!!



Last Edited on: 8/20/09 10:33 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 8/20/2009 10:47 PM ET
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a super long list of junk for special conditions.

Oh Stu, yer killing me. I am dying to know what that junky RC said. I am in need of a good laugh.

Oh well,  I am like whatever.

FWIW, I totally agree with you on RCs. Clear, short and fair.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 10:48 PM ET
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 PBS has some extremely talented members willing to assist those like myself with zero writing talent. Just ask in this forum.   I've seen them take a handful of vague thoughts and restrictions, and produce wonderful, short, polite, and concise RC's!!

 

It's fun to trim RCs down. It's like a sick hobby.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 11:33 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
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Oh please give us your long RCs.  We love to cut them up into tiny bits.

And Laura. you lost your siggy.  Miss it.

Date Posted: 8/20/2009 11:49 PM ET
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If I had sent the book, then I am sure they would have found something wrong with it when compared to that list.  They would have gotten the book and kept the credit... sticking me with no book and out the money for postage.

Nope ... this is a common misperception for some reason. The book requestor cannot prevent you from getting your credit. If they report a problem with the book, YOU determine if you want to return the credit to them. They cannot take it. The only way that you could possibly lose your credit is if the book is never received (goes lost in the mail). In that case, PBS returns the credit to the requestor. And, you can prevent this by using PBS Delivery Confirmation or PBS postage when you mail your books. In the event that a book goes lost and you have used one of those services, you keep the credit for the book that you sent. (PBS also returns a credit to the book requestor from their own pocket).

The system balances out, because if too many people report problems with books you send out, then PBS investigates you. If someone reports too many books RWAP, then PBS investigates them. If you have too many lost books ... PBS investigates. This prevents people from taking advantage of the system.

Last year there was an average of 43,800 books mailed out per week. If you read the forums, you will see that the amount of people who have a transaction bad enough to complain about is maybe 5 in a week. I'm sure that there are more problems reported than just those, but most of them get resolved amicably between members, and neither side feels the need to post about it. Not bad, right?



Last Edited on: 8/20/09 11:57 PM ET - Total times edited: 4
Date Posted: 8/21/2009 12:00 AM ET
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I have one simple request... if a CD or any other media came with the book originally, please include it or let me know you do not have it. I don't believe that is to much to ask. I get a lot of text books that come with extra data or software on a CD and it's just nice to know if it is complete or not.

I have had a few people say their book does not meet my standards, when the book in question never had any other media to begin with, so some people must just deny the request outright instead of reading it.

Date Posted: 8/21/2009 12:24 AM ET
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if a CD or any other media came with the book originally, please include it or let me know you do not have it.

If a CD came with the book originally, and the book no longer has the CD, then the book is considered "unpostable".

the docs say - if the book originally included supplementary Media materials, the supplementary materials must accompany the book for the book to be postable.



Last Edited on: 8/21/09 12:28 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/21/2009 12:25 AM ET
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Aren't they are required to include any media from the posting guidelines?   Yes.  From the help docs.

Books with accompanying media Materials: Yes IF the accompanying materials are included

  • If the listing for the book indicates that the book comes with accompanying media materials (CD, VHS, cassette, DVD), all materials must be posted with the book.  If you do not have the accompanying materials, the book cannot be posted alone.
  • The accompanying media materials (without the book) also cannot be posted alone.
Subject: Recuestor conditions
Date Posted: 8/21/2009 12:32 AM ET
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I've never had a condition that was over a couple of sentences. That would be about as long as I'd want to read.  Keep it simple and short. If i can meet the conditions, I send, otherwise, I move on.

 

Welcome Stuart!

Date Posted: 8/21/2009 2:40 AM ET
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I have had a few items that did not include everything it should have, but it was the only copy available and I wanted the book itself. It would just be nice to know if it was missing anything, hence my special request.

Date Posted: 8/21/2009 6:46 AM ET
Member Since: 11/14/2005
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They would have gotten the book and kept the credit... sticking me with no book and out the money for postage.

Nope ... this is a common misperception for some reason.

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I think the misperception occurs because the Requestor Condition box that appears for the sender says that if you send their book and it ends up not meeting their conditions you must return their credit.   If you go the Help, it states that it is up to the sender to decide if they will return the credit. 

The actuality is that, unless TPTB get involved in the transaction (which is very rare) there is no way to force you to return the credit.

Date Posted: 8/21/2009 11:34 AM ET
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I like my RC it is for dust jackets for Hardcovers and I am glad that I can put that request down. (Plus I got loads of help on the wording and even got a compliment this week about how clear it was)

I read all RC and be careful because the page long ones could be from APO address and they are required to put that in.

Date Posted: 8/21/2009 12:32 PM ET
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the page long ones could be from APO address

I wonder if that is the case here, an APO required RC that had nothing to do with the book condition, but had to do with the mailing process. I have never seen a RC that was more than a handful of things other that the APO/FBO ones.

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