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Subject: "spine tilt" ??
Date Posted: 3/12/2011 6:53 AM ET
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Ok, so I've been reading a discussion in another forum, and have just learned about "spine tilt." I never even thought about it. I've seen books that are so well-read that they've curved the spines a bit, but I figured if the pages were intact, and it didn't seem to be about to separate, that these were ok to post. I think I've even received a few that way. Maybe I'm not being picky enough?

I don't keep most books that I request...so as long as I can read them, I don't really worry about condition. The whole water damage thing is amusing to me, because unless you have actually dropped it in the tub (and I know most of us probably have at some point) a little water damage doesn't really affect the readability of a book.

So, is spine tilt something I need to acquaint myself with and avoid?

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 8:43 AM ET
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Nah, that was a person being choosy for books to keep or give as gifts or something.  Like you said, you don't keep most of the books your swap, so I wouldn't worry about it at all.

I've found, BTW, that for books I want to keep, I try to only get hardcovers.  Paperbacks that I've tried to keep over the years (even ones I bought new myself) don't last past a few readings or travel well.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 10:50 AM ET
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What is a spine tilt? Is it when the book is flat, you can see the side of the book curving to the right?

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 11:04 AM ET
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Date Posted: 3/12/2011 11:06 AM ET
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I'm trying to post a pic of an example of spine tilt, but obviously it's not working.

 

 



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Date Posted: 3/12/2011 1:00 PM ET
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I'll give it a go...

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These are completely postable. I don't even notice until I'm trying to wrap them for shipment. Makes it hard to fold a tight corner. smiley

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 1:02 PM ET
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I don't keep most books that I request...so as long as I can read them, I don't really worry about condition. The whole water damage thing is amusing to me, because unless you have actually dropped it in the tub (and I know most of us probably have at some point) a little water damage doesn't really affect the readability of a book.

I agree with you that water damage doesn't affect the readability of a book...but just remember that you can't post water damaged books here. So if you get one in that condition and you don't care about it, you should still RWAP the book (you don't have to ask for a credit back, though you would deserve to have it returned) because otherwise you are just letting the person get away with sending books that do not meet PBS requirements for postability. 

And if you don't repost the books here, what do you do with the damaged ones?

 
Date Posted: 3/12/2011 1:11 PM ET
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Thanks Lisa for your picture of a spine tilt. I received a book yesterday that was released on March 1st, with only reader so far and it was worse than your pic. But, it is postable according to the PBS posting guidelines. Agree that the only problem is with wrapping it.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 1:20 PM ET
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a little water damage doesn't really affect the readability of a book.

That's true, but I'm glad we have the no water damage rule.  Sometimes a water damaged book can sit on your shelf and start to mold/mildew while sitting on the shelf, even if you think it is dry.  I've seen this countless times with library books. 

I'm severely allergic to mold, so my wet books get chucked immediately. 

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 3:36 PM ET
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I'm severely allergic to mold, so my wet books get chucked immediately. 

Ditto. Actually, that right there is the main reason they most likely have the rule in the first place. Not because a small amount of water damage affects your ability to read a book, but because even a small amount of water damage can result in mold or mildew growth, and that's just nasty, and potentially toxic to the system even if you aren't allergic.

Well, that, and the fact that you can't really set an indefinite line on the matter. It's far better to say "No damage from water or other liquid" and make it absolute rather than to try to set a line somewhere in the middle of no damage and 'dropped in the tub' damage, which would be uncertain no matter how it was phrased.

As for "spine tilt", it's not really anything you have to worry about too much. If you just vaguely know what it is, so that if it comes up in an RC you aren't scratching your head, that's good enough. For the most part, unless someone is getting a book to give as a gift or something, I doubt it's something that'll come up too often. Especially since, really, it doesn't effect readability in the least, even if it does make wrapping books slightly more difficult.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 4:01 PM ET
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Ah, so that's what it is called!  I declined an RC about warping because I didn't know whether the slight tilt of the spine was warping and if it would be an issue.  I couldn't figure out what else it could be called.  I learned something new!

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 4:42 PM ET
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Thanks everybody for the great feedback. I hadn't thought about the mold issue...I live in such a dry climate that it's not a problem unless something gets thoroughly soaked, but I have a friend with a bad mold allergy, so I know it can be a problem.

And, I live in a highly book-oriented community, so if I can't post them here, I either post them on another swap site that has lower standards  laugh  or I donate them to the community shelf. Since I've picked things up from the community shelf that would be unpostable, I figure it's like to get read there. We also have a "books for prisoners" stash, to take when we visit people in jail.

Robin

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 1:23 AM ET
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Nice 'tilt' picture, anybody know what causes it?  I received a book like that once, was in almost new condition (except for the tilt).  I asked around and was informed it's postable.

I also have nasty allergies to mold.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 1:31 AM ET
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I think it's caused from bending the cover and pages back far while reading. It's also what will ultimately cause pages to become loose.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 6:32 PM ET
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I have books with spine tilt due to being stored face down and not packed tight so they were able to lean to the side. I think something new in the binding procedure lends to it too. The newer paperbacks seem to do it pretty easily and they all do it to the same side.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:58 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/13/2011 11:44 PM ET
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I agree Lou, and do something similar when mailing thick books or multiples.  I use plastic wrap, then a couple firm wraps with packing tape to support the spines during shipping.

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 11:55 PM ET
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As a postal worker - I hate seeing books just dropped into oversized envelopes.  I sometimes use them - but I fold them over to fit the book inside, then tape ALL seams and corners.  I don't use as much tape as some people, but in over 3 years of shipping books, I've only had 1 person come back and tell me my book arrived in bad condition.  That one was caused somewhere down the line......they said it looked like it had been run over by a truck!  I've seen those.......not good!!!

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 11:59 PM ET
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My DH rolls the books when he reads.  I have a large old dictionary I use to to cure the spine tilt.  Pressure seems to help. 

Date Posted: 3/14/2011 3:48 AM ET
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My DH rolls the books when he reads.

Oh, that drives me crazy when I see people doing it.  I'm always thinking "What are you doing to that book?!?".  I think my dad does it now just to annoy me when I see him reading, LOL laugh

Date Posted: 3/14/2011 5:50 PM ET
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I think some of this is also caused by just cheaper manufacturing of the books, poor binding and such. I've had a couple of books that I bought new that had the spine tilting after just me reading it, and I'm very easy on books--rarely have any creases or anything in my books so the only thing I could think of was the book being not-so-well-made.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 3/14/2011 6:01 PM ET
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My DH rolls the books when he reads.

If I saw my DH doing that I don't know what I'd do first: faint or punch him in the face. You should have seen the fear in his eyes when I caught him saving his place in a paperback by leaving it opened, flat and face-down on the table. devil