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Subject: Spinoff question from requestor condition post
Date Posted: 1/31/2016 1:16 PM ET
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What would you do if a requestor condition specified all hardcover books have dust jackets, but the hardcover book you have is case wrapped (image printed on the cover). When I pull up the ISBN for the book, it's listed as paperback. 

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 1/31/2016 2:14 PM ET
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Well, first of all, if the book type that PBS has listed for that ISBN is paperback and you have a hardcover, then you have misposted your book and you should not send it so the requester's condition is moot. When you post a book, you agree that the author, title, binding type and ISBN all match the listing. If any one of those does not match, then you may not post the book using that listing.

In this situation, you need to click on I Cannot Mail, then repost the book using the Post a Book Without an ISBN page.

If the listing were for a hardcover book, then it would be up to you what to do next. Some people reject these requests since the conditions are not clear (by clicking on My Book Does Not Meet Requestor's Conditions), while others accept the request then send a PM describing the situation and asking if the person still wants the book.

Date Posted: 1/31/2016 2:40 PM ET
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So...if the PBS description for the book states "paperback", and the book I have with the same ISBN is actually a "case wrapped hardcover", do I not post it into the system? Is there an alternate way to post? I haven't posted it yet. I should finish it today and just want to check before I did. This is the ISBN 9780312577421. TIA

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 1/31/2016 3:51 PM ET
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Yes, if the PBS description says paperback and you have a hardcover (case wrapped or otherwise), then you may not post it using the existing listing for that ISBN. Instead you can post the book without an ISBN.

The way to post without an ISBN is to go to the Post Books page and look at the menu on the yellow tab. Click the link that says Post a Book Without an ISBN.

I am confused about how you got a request with requestor conditions if you haven't already posted the book though!

 

Date Posted: 1/31/2016 4:07 PM ET
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I haven't for this book. My last request had that condition, so it made me wonder about the book that I was currently reading since I was going to be posting it soon. Thanks for your help with this. I've never had this type of hardcover before. 

Date Posted: 1/31/2016 9:35 PM ET
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Date Posted: 1/31/2016 9:46 PM ET
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It basically has a printed cover like a hardcover textbook. 

Date Posted: 2/2/2016 6:29 PM ET
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according to amazon your ISBN is a paperback.

The hardcover ISBN should be 9780312662752 from 2011.

But to answer to your question.  I would decline the RC becasue this particular book does not come with dustjascket.

Or if you want to take the time, your can accept the request but send a PM to the requestor explaining the issue and see if they still want it.

Date Posted: 2/3/2016 1:21 AM ET
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I have hardcover books in my collection that have images printed on the covers that I suspect were not issued with dust jackets. And I also have hardcovers with images printed on the cover and have dust jackets with the exact same images for both front and back covers. It is difficult to be certain whether a dust jacket was issued with such a book, or not.

I would carefully check the ISBN on the back cover and the ISBN (or ISBNs) on the copyright page in the front of the book. Sometimes the copyright page lists ISBNs for both the hardcover edition of the book and the paperback edition, and sometimes the number on the copyright page and back cover do not match. It is also possible that the publisher issued both hardcover and paperback editions with the same ISBN, but I don't see this very often.

Cathy is correct that if the binding of your book does not match the PBS listing, even if the ISBN, title and author do match, then you have to post your book without an ISBN according to PBS rules for posting.

In cases where you have a hardcover book and the ISBN, title, author and binding all match, and your hardcover edition has a printed image on the cover and no dust jacket, you may consider accepting a request that has a dust jacket RC and then send a PM to the requestor to describe your book and ask if they still want it. If not, then you should mark the request as Book Does Not Meet Requestor's Conditions. Or, not bother with this and simply mark the book as not meeting the RC.



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Date Posted: 2/3/2016 2:51 PM ET
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Judging by the size of the book, slightly smaller than TPB, I'm sure it was published without a dust jacket. It's definitely much smaller than the traditional hardcover that comes with a dust jacket. I'll post it w/o the ISBN and be sure to let any requestor's know what type of binding it is. 

Date Posted: 2/26/2016 2:53 AM ET
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If the book has a color cover, it's rare it also had a dust jacket.  And most members won't mind if it doesn't arrive with a dust jacket in that case, but this is a situation I might pm the requestor...I posted a book like this several years ago and knew there was no DJ b/c I purchased it new.  The requestor had a DJ RC but was happy to accept the color hardcover.

The full color hardcover, I call those library editions.  For some reason I think they are often aimed at the library market so they don't have the hassle of covering books...or maybe because my first exposure was those junior biographies in the school library lol.

The binding has to match the PBS listing tho (along with title, author, and ISBN).  If you think the listing is wrong, contact TPTB and request the listing be corrected.  Don't post your book until the listing has been corrected.  If you somehow have a publishing snafu, you will need to post with a short ISBN (IIRC the instructions will ask for book size, number of pages, binding, etc).

 

Date Posted: 2/29/2016 5:07 AM ET
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If my book was published without a dust jacket, and the requestor's Requestor Conditons said that all hardcovers have to have a dust jacket, I would definitely decline. Denise's option of PMing the requestor works, but I would first have to accept the RCs to be able to PM, and if the requestor doesn't want my book, I'd be expected to cancel the transaction (since her RCs didn't ask me to PM.)

If I'm in doubt, I politely decline. :-)

Date Posted: 2/29/2016 8:13 AM ET
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Judging by the size of the book, slightly smaller than TPB, I'm sure it was published without a dust jacket

The slightly smaller thing would make me think it may be a book club edition.

Date Posted: 2/29/2016 11:47 AM ET
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Guidepost Books issue a number of these books with the full color hardcover and never with a dust jacket. Many members with dust jacket RCs are aware of these books and their RC will state something like " if the book has a full color hardcover, dust jacket is not required". If a member has never encountered these books, it is hard to explain as the number of members above offering explanations demonstrates.

Date Posted: 3/11/2016 9:22 PM ET
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