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Subject: Spots? RWAP?
Date Posted: 1/14/2013 6:28 PM ET
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Not sure what this is, it's spots. There isn't any mildew smell and they are slightly raised. If you rub your finger over them lightly you can feel them.

Pictures aren't the best, they're more obvious in person.

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out of focus but shows how dark they are better

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Last Edited on: 1/14/13 6:29 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/14/2013 6:57 PM ET
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Looks like mildew or some kind of fungus. Hard to tell though.

Whatever its DNA makeup, it's a stain. You could RWAP, or maybe just try lightly rubbibg with extra-fine sandpaper and see if it disappears.

Date Posted: 1/14/2013 7:44 PM ET
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On the page edge like that, you can probably remove it with sandpaper.

If it's not a stain or mold, it might be a splash of some kind, which is obviously also not allowed, as dirty books aren't allowed to be swapped either.

However, clean books wich used to be dirty are just fine, I usually try to see if stuff like that will come off the book before I RWAP.

Date Posted: 1/14/2013 7:46 PM ET
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Anything you can feel I would call "soiled" and unpostable. If it wasn't something you could feel, I would say it being concentrated on one spot makes it not likely to be foxing and would make it a stain and still unpostable. Unless it looked like foxing or ink from a printing malfunction, it would be unpostable no matter what substance it is because it would be a stain or soiling.

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 1/14/2013 8:41 PM ET
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I probably wouldn't be posting the book anyway even if there weren't a problem and I don't care about the credit, I just think if it's unpostable they should be told about it.

Date Posted: 1/14/2013 9:09 PM ET
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I don't think mildew can make marks like that. Technically, just about any spot can be accurately labelled liquid damage, 90% likely water.

On the other hand. my true feelings are Holy $hit. How picky can you get. The attitude that anything less than "like new" condition is cause for a RWAP is the bane of PBS, and a pox on those who display it. (with small but appreciative attribution to Shakespeare, of course)

Date Posted: 1/14/2013 9:21 PM ET
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On the edges like that? Hold the book firmly, use fine grade sand paper. Works like a charm unless the stain seeps in past the edge. Or deckled edges. Great for dirty fingerprints and ink.
Date Posted: 1/14/2013 9:48 PM ET
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On the other hand. my true feelings are Holy $hit. How picky can you get. The attitude that anything less than "like new" condition is cause for a RWAP is the bane of PBS, and a pox on those who display it. (with small but appreciative attribution to Shakespeare, of course)

It's not picky.  I've got plenty of old books that I am perfectly happy with, with creased up covers, spine creases, dog eared pages, ex-library, small rips, taped on covers, etc.

However, I don't want dirty or stained books, and I don't see why anybody else should send or accept them either.

After all, nobody knows what kind of totally innocuous (or nasty crap) stuff is stuck on the book.

I'm not going to guess whether that yellow liquid staining the book was orange juice or cat pee.

On the other hand, if I get a dirty book that is cleanable, I'm OK with doing that, to save a otherwise perfectly good book. So, covers come clean with some combinaition of alcohol wipes, Goo Gone, etc, and page edges can be cleaned with sandpaper.

But if it can't be cleaned, then I don't want it.  And, truly, cleaning it should be done before it's put in the mail ... I will clean books that I receive because I can but I understand the viewpoint that says, "if It's cleanable, then the sender ought to do that before the book gets to me".

Also, creased spines attract no bugs. Food stains absolutely can.

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 1/14/2013 10:33 PM ET
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On the other hand. my true feelings are Holy $hit. How picky can you get.

I'm not being picky, I'll read it regardless, but the rules don't allow for certain things and if it violates the rules that's all that matters. I don't mind fixing it either if it can be fixed but I still think the sender should be told about it if it's not postable. If they have other books with the same issue maybe they can fix it ahead of time and skip any problems, or if I do decide to re-post it it is helpful to know ahead of time if it has a problem. Since I'm not sure if it would be considered staining I asked, no need to get any panties bunched.

It's kind of like something with a little substance was splashed on the edges, not just water. Maybe muddy water, it's definitely raised. I already scraped the marks off the hardcover with my nail, I'll try some sandpaper on the pages.



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Date Posted: 1/15/2013 11:42 AM ET
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I love hearing about book "maintenance and repair" here, you learn the most amazing things!  Sandpaper..........who knew?

I think it looks like a stain from something that spilled and splattered (this is my CSI expertise speaking) --- mold or mildew would probably be on a larger section.

Date Posted: 1/15/2013 12:21 PM ET
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It could be mold and I recommend you DO sandpaper it off. Because some types of book mold SPREAD to other books.  I'd do this job outside, dust the book down with a very lightly damp cloth( to pick up the dust) and then take inside.

Date Posted: 1/15/2013 12:29 PM ET
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Ugh, if you really feel it might be mold/mildew, I recommend tossing the book.  Don't use sandpaper, as that will just spray spores into the air, and won't completely remove the mold from the book.  Those spores can move along to "infect" other books in your collection, which you don't want to happen.  If you really must keep the book, seal it into a Ziploc bag and stick it in the freezer for a few weeks, to try to kill off the spores.

Date Posted: 1/15/2013 12:29 PM ET
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On the other hand. my true feelings are Holy $hit. How picky can you get. The attitude that anything less than "like new" condition is cause for a RWAP is the bane of PBS, and a pox on those who display it. (with small but appreciative attribution to Shakespeare, of course)

My attitude is not anything less than "like new" is a cause for a RWAP. It is anything less than PBS Condition for Postability is a cause for RWAP. Which this book is. I find the rules pretty simple to follow and my true response would be Holy $hit, how can someone not see that book doesn't meet site conditions with crap splattered on it. It simply does not belong posted on PBS because it doesn't meet the sites requirements. There is quite a bit of mileage between "like new" and soiled and stained.



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Date Posted: 1/16/2013 12:53 AM ET
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I still think the sender should be told about it if it's not postable.

If a book isn't postable it shouldn't be posted at all.  It can be offered in the Book Bazaar or in the red sticky thread at the top of many of the genre discussion forums.  It's not okay to post an unpostable book and then ask the requestor if he wants it.  Too many requestors end up canceling (because they don't want the stained book) and losing their spot in the wish list line.

Date Posted: 1/16/2013 9:45 AM ET
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I think they are meaning the person who sent the book to the OP in the first place to let them know they sent an unpostable book Patty. Not PMing someone asking if they want an unpostable book. At least I hope they meant the sender and not a requester.

Date Posted: 1/16/2013 11:06 AM ET
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Those types of spots on older books are usually from insects.  They are not harmful nor do they decrease the value of old books. I will try to find the link that I saw on the Library Thing Maintenance and Repair forum.  They are usually restored with a white out like substance to match the color of the pages.  If very deep I believe they do use a light sandpaper first.  If you feel the book is worth restoring I believe there are people who do that type of repair.

Date Posted: 1/16/2013 11:19 AM ET
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I found this link to a description of the spot repair.    http://www.bookthink.com/0064/64alt.htm

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 1/16/2013 1:13 PM ET
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Yes, I meant the sender should be told about the problem, which I did yesterday. They didn't respond but I marked it resolved anyway since I should be able to fix it.