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Subject: Is this a stripped book?
Date Posted: 12/2/2008 11:26 AM ET
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I got a beautiful book in the mail today, and I opened it to check the pages and noticed that the publishing information, title pages, etc. had been ripped out. I didn't really think anything of it until my DH looked at it and said, 'Oh, it's been stripped. Are you allowed to swap those?' I had never heard of a hardcover being stripped in any fashion (and it obviously still has it's cover), so I'm a bit puzzled.

So, is this a stripped book or is my guy full of it? :)

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 11:44 AM ET
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Well, if it has pages ripped out of it, I'd say it's not postable by the club rules. How did the person post it without the ISBN? The book has been damaged by having those pages removed, so I'd mark RWAP - Damaged by Sender.

I haven't heard of that term before, but the book you received is not postable, regardless of how beautiful the rest of the book is.

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 11:45 AM ET
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I'm not sure. Hopefully someone has the answer for you. But.. if text pages are missing, it's unpostable.

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 11:54 AM ET
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Jane K.:How did the person post it without the ISBN?

The ISBN is on the back cover.

The only pages missing are not pages with the story on it, just the publishing and title pages, so I assumed that it was postable. Is this not the case?

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 11:59 AM ET
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that does make it unpostable.

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:27 PM ET
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Having the copyright information torn out does make it unpostable and usually something bookstores and librarys do sometimes to remove identifying information. (ownership stamps, or cataloging information). 

Stripped books usually are done to paperbacks and have the pages up to the first chapter as well as front cover ripped out. This makes them illegal to sell. I am guessing some hardcovers have this done for the same reason, not to be sold. Or else someone wanted an inscription removed or it could have been signed by the author and thats all they wanted of the book.

I would be upset and mark it RWAP if I got that book.  Maybe offer it as a freebie on the BB forum

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:33 PM ET
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I'm thinking it might have been an inscription that was removed.  As none of the text is gone, I wouldn't give it a thought, nor mind it at all.  But, as they say, rules are rules (but I did think it was the removal of text pages that was prohibited). 

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:40 PM ET
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Well, that stinks. :)

Thanks for all of the information! I guess I'll go try and take care of that.

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:45 PM ET
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The Help Center says no loose or missing text pages so I say it's postable.  Here is the relevant section:

 

Pages:

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages
    • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
    • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
    • writing or highlighting on the text pages is NOT OKAY
Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:46 PM ET
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That's what I thought, Kate. :S
Date Posted: 12/2/2008 12:56 PM ET
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I' ve received several books with the title page missing. I didn't think there was a problem with them.

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 3:54 AM ET
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Sounds postable to me.

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 8:10 AM ET
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Pages ripped out makes it unpostable. Period. Readable, yes. Postable, no.

The reason there are guidelines for books to be posted here at PBS is so there is a way to seperate books that are postable from books that arent. By accepting books that are not postable, then reposting them, only makes the problem book "seem" postable. Then someone sends it to someone who follows the guidelines, and the answer is "well I got it from a member at PBS and it was ok with me".

If you are willing to accept books that are not within the guidelines, I guess that is up to you. But please understand, you are giving others permission to break other book guidelines down the line. The guidelines exist to protect all of us from getting books that are not up to par. Books that dont meet the guidelines can be offered free with an order, but they should not be posted to anyone's bookshelf.

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Date Posted: 12/3/2008 3:06 PM ET
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Cheryl, the guidelines state no loose or missing TEXT pages.  I'm don't think that the title copywrite page is considered a text page...

Although I do agree, any missing or loose text pages, makes the book unpostable.

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 4:01 PM ET
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At the very least, I'd look at it this way: If I were the owner of a used book store and had this garden-variety hardback book to put on the shelf, would I put a $3.50 price tag on it? And if I did, would customers come to me asking for a discount because of the pages that were torn out? IMO, the answer would be no and then yes, respectively, and I woudn't post the book here.  

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 4:59 PM ET
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Date Posted: 12/3/2008 5:06 PM ET
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<<Having the copyright information torn out does make it unpostable and usually something bookstores and librarys do sometimes to remove identifying information.>>

I'm with Pam and Cheryl on this.   "Text pages" aren't solely defined as the pages with the story on them.  The table of contents, title page, copyright information -- they all contain text and are vital to the book.  The verso (back) of the title page tells me what edition the book is, what printing, etc.  Tearing them out makes it unpostable.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 5:49 PM ET
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Seems that people are focusing on the second bullet item.  What about the first?

Aren't we talking about a page that has been torn (completely out)?

 

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages

 

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 5:53 PM ET
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I don't understand how a book's sell-ability has anything to do with it's swapability on this site (as long as it meets the guidelines for what constitutes a postable book).

My point was that credits are not free. These are not free books. If you were to buy a credit at the kiosk, it would cost $3.45. Just to earn a credit, you have to acquire a book and post it here, wrap it, and pay to ship it. The books are not free; they cost something. If the book is in such a condition that you (or any reasonable consumer) wouldn't pay $3.50 for it, then it shouldn't be posted here (take the "not excessively worn" guideline... not very specific but just use the $3.50 rule-of-thumb here).

It's about common sense. If the book wouldn't garner $3.50 at a UBS, why should it garner that here at PBS?

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 7:43 PM ET
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Date Posted: 12/3/2008 7:53 PM ET
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I see a title page as a text page, as it contains information. Same with the verso page, I WANT that copyright information, and that IS text.

Writing on a page IS text, I am sure what PBS means is those blank pages some books have which are there for inscriptions.

Since credits do have a real world money value then books DO have a value, and stripped books arent meant to be sold. Same with ARCs.

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 8:33 PM ET
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Regarding your question as to whether or not it is a stripped book, if it's a paperback, no it isn't. A paperback that has been stripped will not have a cover. These books are recycled when the sales are not doing well. The publisher receives the covers back showing proof that the books were indeed recycled or destroyed. So if that book makes its way back out to the public, then it was not properly destroyed and it is illegal to sell.

As to whether or not it is postable, generally when speaking about "text" pages, people mean the story. There is another thread on here (not too long ago) where someone received a book that had the author information torn out and asked TPTB what to do. Their response was that while those pages technically contained text, those pages were not part of the story and the book was postable. http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=141495



Last Edited on: 12/3/08 8:35 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 12/3/2008 8:53 PM ET
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Yep, when I questioned about the section regarding the author having been covered with a library pocket I was told that while technically that contained text, it was not text that was relevant to the story and thus I should not mark the book RWAP....

 

This is what they told me exactly...

"Well, text pages are meant to be =  pages containing the story.  This is kind of iffy though - someone might want to read About the Author and might object.  We still think it's okay though...."

Date Posted: 12/4/2008 6:54 PM ET
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Thanks Christy. I think that about answers that. I was starting to wonder if PBS would consider the publisher page a "text page" since I was amongst those who didn't. Good to know!