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Subject: Swapping Ebooks
Date Posted: 9/23/2008 11:06 AM ET
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Is there any place online for swapping ebooks (Ellora's Cave, etc.)?  I have one EC ebook in text version and adobe acrobat, and I have a few other romances in text version.  I just thought that it would be a lot cheaper to swap through email than purchasing everything I wanted to read.  This may be frowned upon, I don't know, but I thought I would check and see if this was ever done.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 12:37 PM ET
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I think it's illegal since all the ebooks I've bought say you can' tshare them. Iwish we could though since they're paid for and all.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 1:41 PM ET
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Yeah, you would think that they could be treated just like regular books which can be given away, traded, sold or whatever.  It would be quite helpful to the reader, but hurtful of course to the writer.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 3:08 PM ET
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I don't think it would necessarily be hurtful to a writer. There have been plenty of authors I would never have considered buying until I read a book of theirs I borrowed first.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 3:28 PM ET
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I think it's considered hurtful to the writer (and the publisher) because if you give away a hard copy of a book, you no longer have the copy. But with an e-copy there's nothing to stop one person from buying a book then sending out a bunch of copies via email.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 3:38 PM ET
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I think you can "trade" the Sony e-books, but the logistics aren't easy.  Sony lets you hook 6 "devices" to your account, and each computer counts as one, and each reader counts as one.  In theory at least, three people could share an account, and have unlimited downloads of each book purchased on that account.  You could probably furnish someone with your removable chip and have them load it via thier Sony reader/account and send it back to you also.

Without going back to re-read, I'll assume it's not a violation of thier user agreement, since they specifically permit 6 devices and an unlimited number of chips to be loaded with each e-book.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 4:36 PM ET
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I guess if you compare it to a library, where only one copy of a book is purchased, but hundreds of people read it, then it's not that bad to do.  You would think it might even be helpful then if someone finds a new favorite author that they wouldn't have tried otherwise if someone hadn't loaned them the story.  They might actually do better that way.  You can tell I'm trying to find a way to justify it, ha, ha.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 7:51 PM ET
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What's probably going on is that they found a way to prevent re-sale of a book...the authors and publishers don't make a dime off them when they're re-sold in an UBS, so this way, everyone who wants an ebook has to buy it. It's a theory anyway.

 

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 9:40 PM ET
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Well with a library you no longer have possession of the book when you return it for the next person to read. I think it's like Jillian said: with an ebook if they made it easy to duplicate them people could easily print it out on paper or discs and resell them or give them to a ton of people. 

This was discussed before.  Someone pm'd me and we talked and exchanged email address to send each other ebooks. She was able to send me hers, I can't remember the website she downloaded them off of but it wasn't Newconcepts or Ellorascave.  I could only send one of mine. All the Newconcepts and Ellorascave ones would not let me email them to her.  It kept giving me a "this book has been coded to prevent electronic sharing" or something like that.  I was able to load them onto discs though.  So I supposed I could copy the discs and give them out.  I just copied them incase my computer crashed. I have a couple that I've downloaded and for the life of me I cannot find them on my computer.  So now I back them all up to a writable CD.  I need to verify that I have them all copied because my computer is on it's last legs.

Date Posted: 9/23/2008 11:06 PM ET
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I would be nice if there was some sort of ebook library where you can "borrow" books. Something that only let you access the file for 30 days or so, giving you a timeframe like the library might.



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Date Posted: 9/24/2008 1:22 AM ET
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Fictionwise.com has a library, but I find I am not terribly thrilled with most of the offerings.  They do seem to be expanding it though, so hopefully the choices will increase in the future.  Currently you need to be a member of their buywise club to use the library.  The books are electronically coded to be unaccessible after a particular period of time.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 11:32 AM ET
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What I've downloaded from Ellora's Cave, I've been able to save as a text file, and they can be sent through email easily.  They give you the option there of being able to download something that you can print.  I always choose that.  That would make it much easier to share with others if you wanted to.

I like the idea of an ebook library, too.  That would be great.  Then if I found something I just had to have a copy of, I could buy it, but right now I hesitate to buy anything because I'm really picky and haven't found much that I've even been able to finish.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 12:06 PM ET
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It could also be a way for local libraries to make some money. They offer the ebooks to borrow and if people decide to buy it they direct them to amazon or wherever to purchase and get a percentage of the sale.



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Date Posted: 9/24/2008 6:19 PM ET
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Here's one author, Shiloh Walker, talking about e-book piracy (not exactly the same thing, but somewhat related)--it's interesting to hear it from the writers' perspective.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 6:32 PM ET
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Sarah F, my  libraries(have 3 where I live) have ebooks! you rent' them for either 2 weeks with the 'overdrive' system or 3 weeksI think with  netlibrary. audibooks too! right now I have a jennifer crusie bundle on my sony prs505 and it's set to 'disappear' in a few more days. the audiobooks i've transferred tomy creative zen stay there with the overdrive but not with netlibrary but I don't think netlibrary has a waiting list like the overdrive system does. no erotica in mine though :-( but tons of other stuff! ask your library or you may be able to get on netlibrary itself without a library..not sure about that but they're both free through my libraries.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 8:19 PM ET
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Thanks Susanna, I'll have to check it out. They might not have it at my library, but they may with the Austin public library. I'll have to look into it.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 8:41 PM ET
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My library has the overdrive books as well.  You can get print or audio. 

I guess I just downloaded by ebooks from ellorascave wrong.  It would not let me email them.  I was able to save them to disc. I could probably do it but I just couldn't figure it out. I'm not much of a computer person though either.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 9:16 PM ET
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The New York CIty Public library has a LOT of ebooks, audiobooks and videos. I got a membership when I was working in the city even though I live in New Jersey. I think an out of state person can also buy a membership but it's kinda expensive. Although, it might be worth it if there were a lot of books a person was interested in.

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 9:39 PM ET
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I can't believer we're discussing how to email ebooks here..we ougtha change the title to 'I like hairy balls' or something to keep others out so we dont' get found out LOL!

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 11:17 PM ET
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It is illegal to share ebooks, the main concern that you can then email it to the whole world vs. one person like trading prints.  In the early days of ebooks, the smaller epubs weren't doing secured copies, some may still not be, which is why you were able to convert some to text.  Most have moved to secure, encrypted versions now so that someone else can't open it.  Those 6 devices Sony allows you (as do other Reader software vendors, like Microsoft's MS Reader) are so that the one owner can have access to their ebook on any hardward their own - your main PC, perhaps a second PC at work or elsewhere, your handheld device, your laptop, etc.--allowing you to activate your software to read the ebook on all of your equipment.    It's not to let you have extra copies to trade.  Occasionally I have ended up with two purchased ebooks by mistake, then I feel I can gift that second, legally-purchased copy to a friend.

Many books have been hacked into (even prints scanned in) and being shared at "ebook piracy" sites, hard to stop and a concern to pubs and authors, particularly smaller epubs and their authors who aren't really making much (see Shiloh Walker's perspective as noted above).   Some authors may not mind your sharing your copy once with a family member, much different than hundreds getting access for free at those piracy sites.  I've even seen NY print authors the past year asking their fans to buy new rather than trade or buy at USBs, or even to not use the library,, as sales numbers have now affected many in getting that next contract (even some popular authors), with major NY pubs reporting decreases in profits and more particular in what they contract for).  We've all been sharing print books with friend and family for years, but now the internet has made it even easier for books to be passed around to many more quicker (sites like this).   Some libraries are now offering limited access to ebooks, but most that do still have limited catalogs to choose from.

All depends on what side of the fence you are on as to how you feel.  I see the side of authors, especially those with small, independent pubs, and, of course, all are in to make money, that's business.  But as readers, book prices have escalated to the point where we just can't afford to buy all that we want on our average incomes (look at some of our wishlists, lol), and now with access to the internet, we find even more new authors we want to read, so yes we find ourselves trading more and more, most of us just can't afford to buy all we want.    Valid arguments on both sides of the fence.  Will be interesting to see how things change at the pubs now in light of all this and decreasing sales, and readers more particular as to where they do spend their limited dollars (favorite authors, not so much the mediocre or new authors).  Possibly, we may have to wait even longer to get that next story from our favorite author, or maybe not at all, as pubs will get choosier on accepting new contracts, even reducing the size of their catalogs.  Personally, I'm trading more when I can due to current finances, but when the income goes back up again, I probably would buy more of what I want new rather than waiting for those I'm anxious to read to come around to my turn, and to support my favorite authors.  Several authors I've chatted with have come to the realization that they will have to be happy with readers wanting to read their stories but not to expect to make a living from it.

 

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 11:32 PM ET
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Thanks for the thoughtful post, Pam--I have mixed feelings, too.  I think what I can understand from the perspective of the author is that it IS her work, and if her desire is to share it for free, that's one thing.  If it isn't, then when we do share for free, it's a form of theft, and one that makes it less appealing/possible for her to continue writing.  I imagine that few authors make enough from their writing to pay all the bills; if the free sharing cuts into their income to the point where it isn't feasible for them to keep writing for (part of) a living, then it's ultimately a loss to readers.

As far as trying authors out, most do offer excerpts (from a few pages to whole chapters) either on their publishers' sites or their own; and many authors hold contests with some frequency where you can often win downloads of their books for free.

Also, I do find I rely a lot on recommendations from people whose reading tastes I trust, including many of you!  Thanks again!

Date Posted: 9/24/2008 11:45 PM ET
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  Those 6 devices Sony allows you (as do other Reader software vendors, like Microsoft's MS Reader) are so that the one owner can have access to their ebook on any hardward their own - your main PC, perhaps a second PC at work or elsewhere, your handheld device, your laptop, etc.--allowing you to activate your software to read the ebook on all of your equipment.    It's not to let you have extra copies to trade. 

This is what my Sony account page says:   

You have authorized four computers or Readers to manage your eBook purchases.  Your eBook store account is limited to a maximum combination of 6 authorized devices.

For the record, I have two readers and two computers authorized.  I see nothing in the above statement that indicates Sony prohibits this, or prohibits my giving access to my account to others.  The Terms of Serivce say that I can transfer to registered portable devices as long as I'm within the 6 devices limit.

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 1:36 AM ET
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but can a person register their computer/ereader to more than one registration? for instance mine are registered together under my n ame or whatever but what if I try registering them to multiple accounts? hmmm...I"m sure there are ways around encryuption but I'm too ignorant and I have to admit way too lazy to figure it all out!

I'm all for the authors getting their share..heck even the publisher.but in my mind it costs way more to print a book than it does to do an ebook..and if the costs were down then we'd buy more(at least my addicted self would!).I know the ebooks are far cheaper than the hardbacks and trade paperbacks but eharlequin charges about the same for an ebook as they do for the paperback version and that just doesn't seem right to me :-( I think if the prices were less people would find it less hassle to just buy and then try  new authors.

I know an author gave me on of her novella ebooks free and I've bought more of her stuff since I'd never have tried her otherwise..not with everything so pricey...

I guess I'll find out if my sony sc card wil hold encrypted stuff eventually though Ithink I'm gonna take a lot off my ereader and just keep it stored on my laptop, making backup copies of what isn't encrypted just in case, and then put on the reader w hat I want totake with me and keep a few favorites on it.

I have to admit I'm getting used to this ereader..I likve the feel of an actual book but it IS easier to carry around a lot of titles and keep what I'm reading 'private'. and if this works with the library ebook borrowing I'll be able to get a lot of stuff practicaly instantly unless I'm stuck at work that is and can't get online or have to get on a waiting list.

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 10:06 PM ET
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I actually prefer print over ebooks.  I haven't downloaded an ebook in over a year, maybe 2.  I'd rather curl up on the couch or snuggle under the covers to read than sit at the computer.  Plus I like being able to send it out after I'm done.  I think most people still buy some new books.  For avid readers it's an addiction that must be fed. Sometimes you just gotta buy a new book.  For people who don't read that often when they buy a book it's usually new because they don't read enough to be into sites like PBS. 

Date Posted: 9/25/2008 11:33 PM ET
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I actually prefer print over ebooks.  I haven't downloaded an ebook in over a year, maybe 2.  I'd rather curl up on the couch or snuggle under the covers to read than sit at the computer.

I'd probably never read ebooks if the computer was my only option.  My Sony is about the size and weight of a PB, and they just came out with a new cover that has a light attachment that fits over the screen.  If I get one, I can actually read under the covers!

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