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Subject: TWO credits for a "big" book?
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 5:32 PM ET
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My wish was just granted.  The donor sent a note saying they must get two credits for this book. One when they sent it and one (a gift from me) upon receipt. Is this the way it's done? I haven't come up against this before. In fact, I've shipped every book no matter how large for just one credit and paid the postage, figuring that over the long haul it will all even out.

Your thoughts, please? I have less than one day to respond to the wish so time is of the essence. Thank you!

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 5:33 PM ET
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NOT the way it's done - strictly against the rules, in fact.

Subject: Where can I find the rules to quote to this member?
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 5:36 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/17/2010 5:37 PM ET
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Nancy,I would use the contact us link at the bottom of the page and let the site owners know about this one. This member could be doing this a lot with large books and the site owners should know so they can talk to the member about it. It's definitely against the rules. Here is the section from the help center:

 

 

On PBS all bound books are created equal. paperback and hardcover books of all types are worth one credit each. audio books are worth two credits each. We currently have no plans to change the "pricing structure".

  • Yes, hardcovers can be more expensive to send
    • they are generally larger and heavier than paperbacks
    • but some paperbacks are larger/heavier than some hardbacks.
  • The complexity of pro-rating book "cost" by weight would complicate what we want to be a simple process.
    • We think ease of swapping is of paramount importance.
  • If you want to receive a hardcover in return for each hardcover you send out:
    • You can always limit your requests to hardcovers only.
    • That way, you will not be spending more in postage than the senders spend to send you the books you want.

As far as we are concerned, a book is a book! A book that you no longer want is swapped for a book you want--it's all good!



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Date Posted: 10/17/2010 5:39 PM ET
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I just posted a huge cookbook - all I get in one credit.  I'm certainly ok with that.  I knew the rules when I joined the site.  Asking for more than one credit is forbidden.

Subject: Thank you.
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 6:07 PM ET
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I accepted the PBS wish for 1 credit. I reported her note to "contact us" at the bottom of the website, and I responded to her note with a cut and paste of the rules. Now let's see A) if the book comes and B) what condition it is upon arrival. This is the first ever problem I've encountered and it really stinks. Thank you for your helpfulness and kindness. It made me feel a lot better.

Subject: "Cannot Mail" from Book Poster
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 6:16 PM ET
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So I got a note from the PBS system that the member  cannot mail the book. I wished this book on 12.27.2007, and have waited 33 months! I can only hope that the Contact Us email means that someone will check in on that member's history of granting and cannot mails.

Inkmyway

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 6:26 PM ET
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I'm really sorry that happened to you.  I recently received a large hardcover book and felt guilty about how much it cost the sender to mail..... Then I was tempted not to swap it because of how much it would cost me to mail.  Fortunately, I came to my senses pretty quickly and realized how stupid that reasoning was.  Duh.  It all evens out in time. 

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 6:37 PM ET
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The good news Nancy is that the Team will have a talk with this member and look into their history now that you've reported them and they cannot get past you to try that crap on someone else. If she tries to repost it, the offer will just go right back to you.  Sorry you ran into someone who was trying to cheat you :(

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 7:48 PM ET
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I'm a very mean person. I might have let them ship the book and, when they tried to get a second credit out of me upon its arrival, would have quoted the PBS guidelines back to them :P

Good on you for being the bigger and better person, even if you have waited so long for the book.

mistie -
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 7:55 PM ET
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I agree, it's totally against the rules -and, you were perfectly "correct" in how you handled it.  However, the reality, as youhave discovered, is that no-one can be forced to mail a book unless they choose to

I'm curious, is this the first time the book has been posted since 2007, or has it taken that long for you to move up the wishlist? To be honest, in your situation, having waited 33 months, I may have just thought what the heck, it's worth two credits to me..................

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:01 PM ET
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I'm the mean type too and would have done as Erin said...what was she going to do...report you to the Team? cheeky

But please, Nancy, contact the PBS Team so they can tell this person they are violating the rules.

Subject: To Mistie. and everyone regarding two credits for 1 book.
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:08 PM ET
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There was a huge list for this book, about 70 people ahead of me in late 2007. This party "saw my wish" and contacted me via PM about the demand for a second credit. I believe that is also against the rules, to be "stalking" wish lists rather than loading it directly into the system and allowing the system to do its work via the offical wish lists so that it goes in order.

I didn't want to pay two credits because it still hurts the entire PBS system and puts me on that person's level. I understand what you mean in that I have waited so long! and I really want the book. But I don't want to create credit/wish anarchy.

Will Rogers said it best: good fences make good neighbors.

 

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:10 PM ET
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DG > I'm glad I'm not the only mean one! wink

Nancy > So, are you currently first in line for the Wish List book or did they post it directly to your Wish List?



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Subject: Two credits for 1 book
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:16 PM ET
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Yes, Erin, I'm #1 of 67. Originally in 12/27/2007 when I wished the book, there were over 100+ wishes. I knew it would come for me at the right time, and I've been awaiting. I'm #1 on 3 different books and excited that they will be hopefully awailable before the year's end.

I'm a patient woman. Many of the items I'm wishing for have huge lines, but hey, I read, I write, I blog, and it will come to me "by and by."

thanks for asking, too! all of your comments make me feel better, though I wonder if the other 66 folks behind me are getting notes from the 2-credit demand person.

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:30 PM ET
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Hmm... interesting. I hope PBS will take action against this member so they don't harass everyone else in the Wish List line.

If I may I ask, what book is it that they considered so big as to ask for a second credit?

I've sent big books before but BookwormKath is right in that everything evens out in the end so that there is no need to ask for a second credit. I figure all the big books I spend extra postage on just goes to pay for the very first book I recieved here: a rare graphic novel that I've seen on sale in other places for $50-$70 and I got here, in great condition, for a single credit!

Subject: Paperback Swap's Support reply
Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:33 PM ET
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Paperbackswap's Support Reply:

"Thanks for letting us know about this. It is a violation of the rules to ask for more than one credit for a book, and we will discuss this with [     ]. She is allowed to change her mind and decide not to send the book because the cost of postage is more than she's willing to spend.

You were put back in your previous position on the wish list when [    ] canceled the request. There is no way for her to see who is behind you in line and contact those members directly."

Members, it looks like until my request is cleared, no one else can be bothered by the member wanting 2 credits. I can live with that. I'm a patient woman and someone else will load that book someday! thanks to everyone.

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:42 PM ET
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I looked up the book on Amazon and it says it is 2.2 lbs, so by Media Mail, it would be $3.16 (3# rate).  It's not much more than $2.77 or $2.38.  I wouldn't want to mail every book at that rate, but I definitely would mail out one occasionally.  Sorry she cancelled on you.

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 9:51 PM ET
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Nancy, just FYI, members are indeed allowed to post WL books directly to another's WL; they do not have to be posted into the FIFO system.   PBS allows this, though there are many who feel it's "cheating".  So, she did not break any rules in that respect.

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 10:04 PM ET
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I had a wonderful lady send me two heavy books listed as only one book and for one credit only.  In fact, she had to mail them separately.  (They were medical books).  It cost her way over $5 for mailing.  (I don't remember exactly how much but it was at least over $5).  I buddied her an extra credit after I found out that these were two books she was mailing.  She never asked for the extra credit  but I was grateful for her kindness.  It worked out for both of us and there was mutual respect and gratitude on both sides.   Far different experience than if someone demanded two credits for one book.

Nancy F, you did right in holding your ground and staying firm in your beliefs.  God bless you. 

Sue

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 10:27 PM ET
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Okay, count me in with the mean people.  I would have just let her send me the book and then, if she inquired about the 2nd credit, would quote the rules back to her at that point and report it to the team.

She can try and find someone else with the book on their WL and post it directly to them, maybe by using one of the threads in the genre forums or BB.

PBS is very clear on one book equals one credit.  She can turn around and use that credit from this heavy book to request another heavy book from the site.

Date Posted: 10/17/2010 11:10 PM ET
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Susan > That was very kind of you! I'm glad it worked out for the two of you!

Nancy > Wait, so I missed it. What book is in question here?

Subject: Book in Question: Jesus: 90 Days with the One and Only by Beth Moore
Date Posted: 10/18/2010 9:37 AM ET
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Date Posted: 10/18/2010 10:04 AM ET
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Thanks for letting us know the Team's response. Hopefully she'll learn from this. ;)

Date Posted: 10/18/2010 10:22 AM ET
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Nancy , Thank you, If I see that book in my travels I will pick it up and post it. I agree big and little books balance out at the end of the day.

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