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Subject: Tags are underused!
Date Posted: 1/24/2010 9:47 PM ET
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Wow, while adding tags to a book I just finished reviewing, I  accidently found the listing of the history of  tags being used--- how many times used, how many members have used them, last book tag was used for.  Imagine my surprise to discover I'm one of few listers for many of the 197 tags listed and I was the last lister for many of them also.

Why do so few folks "tag" books when they post them or review them?

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 10:02 PM ET
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I don't see the point of tags.  I have them turned off so I don't have to see them. 

Subject: I look at tags to request books
Date Posted: 1/24/2010 10:09 PM ET
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I have several specialty categories of books I like to read (Tudor/Lancaster/York historical fiction and NF, Templar fiction and nonfiction for example), so

I look for those when I initially get a long list when I do a search.

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 10:53 PM ET
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I like tags and I add them, but they seem to be "yesterday's news."

It would be nice if they were used more.  I think they'll be here for a long time.

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:13 PM ET
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I've been tagging alot of books.  They can be helpful in genre searches, especially for swappers.

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:21 PM ET
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I do some tagging but not much. Mostly I don't even notice them on books anymore.  I also find that some tags are pointless and the tagging gets out of control on some books.  Like when you pull up a book and there's 50 tags for one book.  Usually if I tag a book it's a personal tag for me.  And now I mostly use notes for that. 

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:22 PM ET
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I used to add a lot of club tags, but it seems like the site abandoned them for the Wiki. They were supposed to become searchable, now it doesn't sound like that will happen.  Now I mainly use just my personal tags.

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:25 PM ET
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I use them so when I'm browsing my reminder list I can remember what interested me in the book. Otherwise I'll be wondering what the heck I put it on my list for. But if I scroll and see the tag "tortured hero" or "mail-order-bride" I can easily see why I stuck it on my list in the first place.

It's also nice to search the tags. I like beauty and the beast romances so I can just click on the tag and see what PBS has available with that theme. I love the tags and find them really useful. I definitely plan to keep tagging!



Last Edited on: 1/24/10 11:25 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/25/2010 1:54 AM ET
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Because it's so annoying to tag things.

I can't select multiple books (such as from a search) and tag them all with the same tag.

I can't tag multiple tags at once, I have to go through the annoying drop down/type every time.

I don't find them that useful, and the annoyance of adding them is high enough I don't bother just to make it a better tag cloud.

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 9:22 AM ET
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I also don't see the point of tags. Most of them are personal, individual tags that mean something only to the tagger. "6 of 34." "JL's RL." What does that mean to me? Nothing. I have them blocked, because it was very annoying to see them.

To me it's also a time-waster. Why spend hours tagging all my books when I could be reading them instead?

Cehryl

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 10:15 AM ET
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I also don't see the point of tags.

Tagging for genre really helps, if people would do it. For example, I like Urban Fantasy of a certain type. But that genre doesn't exist here. So sometimes I'll find them sorted under 'horror' or 'science fiction', ' and a sometimes 'fantasy'. You can't just pull them up if you don't know they exist. Or try to find 'Paranormal'. Same problem

Same problem in the UBS, although they've broken down and given "Paranormal Romance" shelves of their own. That's still not what I'm looking for. I've even found some of the Urban Fantasy stuff I'm looking for under 'Crime' and 'Mystery'. A guy who exercises ghosts and demons and solves mysteries goes where? Sometimes several places if they have more than one copy.

It also help if you want Paranormal or Urban Fantasy that has a male main character instead of female. (They're almost all female right now.) Or you don't want romance. (If it's mainly a love story, I'll pass.)

But it's hard to bring them up. The only way I can find to bring them up is to pull up a book I know has the tag and see if anyone has added to it.

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 1/25/2010 11:21 AM ET
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Cindy, sometimes I will "tag" a book with an unrelated 'dummy' tag (add the tag I'm searching even if it doesn't pertain to the book I've applied it to), just so I could search that tag by clicking on it right away, rather than find a book with that tag on it already to click.  However, if you use this approach, you need to remember to remove your dummy tag when you are finished with the search...



Last Edited on: 1/25/10 11:22 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/25/2010 11:53 AM ET
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When the tags were new, I tagged a lot.  There were a lot of suggestions on how to tag and it was really pushed to have us tag.  Then - they changed the purpose of tags and honestly, I wasn't happy.  Some of us went to all that work and then they essentially tell us that our tags are worthless.  SIGH

This is a short thread about when the tag revision started: The Proposed Tag Feature Revision

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 11:53 AM ET
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However, if you use this approach, you need to remember to remove your dummy tag when you are finished with the search...

If I have to search be on a book to do this, I might as well just go to the book I know has it and click from there.

And I'm not good at remembering to remove things! Lol

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 5:53 PM ET
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The tags I am most likely to use is a changed date of publishing.  Patrick Rothfuss and Scott Lynch have books that were to come out in 2009.  Didn't happen.  On their blogs or elsewhere I've found out the dates have been moved back to (most likely) 2011.  That's a long time between books in a series. So I tagged them with that info.  George R.R. Martin's Dance of Dragons was pushed back so often that finally the date used was 2035!  I think they've changed it now.  It's a long time to keep a book on the wishlist! ;)

Ruth

 

 

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 8:13 PM ET
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For changed dates of publishing, I just edit the book data page. Put in a link to the proof, and they will approve it. Only takes a second.

I've also done the same for title changes (before the book is published), etc.



Last Edited on: 1/25/10 8:14 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/25/2010 9:06 PM ET
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I use tags to group books, let's say books in the same series so I can find all the books at once or to plan what I'll read next (like all the links in my siggy.)

I don't like the tags that are individual to a particular book...like the place of a number in a series or pub date. Those things can be added by editing the book data.

Date Posted: 1/25/2010 9:41 PM ET
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I don't like the tags that are individual to a particular book...like the place of a number in a series or pub date. Those things can be added by editing the book data.

Except that that info is not available in the book data on a search unless it's been added to the title. So the title data can be edited but take a bit for it to be approved. So until then it's easier on a sort to see right off that it's part of a series if someone tags it, or that it's not actually out yet.

The book data on the main sheet is really only good if you've already pulled the book up. For me, I hardly ever look at it. I'd rather see tags when I'm browsing. It's a lot quicker.