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Subject: Taped books
Date Posted: 9/22/2014 12:30 PM ET
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I wasn't able to find anything in the help docs about this, so here I am.  Are books taped with shipping tape ok?  A member pmed me to make sure that I wouldn't object to a book that had shipping tape up the spine.  I decided to decline the book.  I work at a library and I have seen some very bad home done tape jobs on books.  It also made me think that while the taping may have been done proactively to prevent the spine from falling apart, it might just be a repair on the spine.  What are your thoughts?

Date Posted: 9/22/2014 4:59 PM ET
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I don't mind older library books, but wouldn't want a book someone taped with Packing tape. The stuff made for non-book items tends to age badly, turning yellow and turning up at the edges. And taping a tear on an Unpostable book, IMHO, doesn't make the book postable.

I would also be afraid the tape was to keep an unpostable book together, so would have refused as well. 

 

Date Posted: 9/22/2014 5:01 PM ET
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I think the rule of thumb around here is that if the the book would not have been postable without the tape, then it's not postable. If the tape is just to reinforce the spine and it was not otherwise damaged, it might technically be postable, but some members wouldn't like it and would feel they couldn't repost it without having to in turn send their own PM. I think this defeats the purpose of the regular FIFO system, which is pretty straightforward. And you're right, tape can be well done and not so well done, and at the least, unless it's archival tape, it's not going to last and over time may actually do more damage to the book. If I get books with tape and/or stickers on them I usually try remove them without damaging the paper/cover.  There are ways to retain the postability of a book by fixing or reinforcing without using regular packing tape, as I'm sure you're aware.

Comes down to, if you plan to read & repost and it's questionable, then decline just to avoid the potential problem. If there are more than a few copies posted there are likely better copies available. If you just want to read it and have no issue with having to possibly give it away or list it in the book bazaar/unpostable forum then order and hope for the best.

Date Posted: 9/22/2014 5:48 PM ET
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Tape is allowed as long as it's not used to repair something that would make the book otherwise unpostable.

Tape to repair a rip less than  inch = OK (because rips less than 1 inch are OK)

Tape to repair a rip larger than 1 inch = not OK (because rips larger than 1 inch are not OK).

Tape used in other ways is akin to a clear sticker on the book ... and stickers are allowed in the rules.

Date Posted: 9/22/2014 8:09 PM ET
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I hate tape. Unless it is well applied archival quality tape. I know it is allowed. But cheap tape ruins a book.

Date Posted: 9/23/2014 4:23 AM ET
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Date Posted: 9/23/2014 10:00 AM ET
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I completely understand that scotch tape and packing tape are not ideal - BUT, they are still not banned by PBS. If they are repairing a rip under 1", the book is still postable. If you are not willing to accept books with minor packing tape repairs, wouldn't you need to set up an RC stating that?

Date Posted: 9/23/2014 12:02 PM ET
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If you are not willing to accept books with minor packing tape repairs, wouldn't you need to set up an RC stating that?

IMO, yes.

I agree with everyone on the quality of postage tape vs. archival tape, but ...

There is no requirement that senders must send books that don't have repairs that will deteriorate in some X number of years. They just need to be postable on the day they arrive on your doorstep. Not postable 10 years from now.

If the tape is firmly attached to the book on the day the book arrives on your doorstep and is not repairing something that is unpostable ... then I don't see what the basis is for a RWAP. I personally would not refund a credit based on "The tape might peel off in 10 years".



Last Edited on: 9/23/14 12:21 PM ET - Total times edited: 4
Date Posted: 9/23/2014 12:43 PM ET
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 I personally would not refund a credit based on "The tape might peel off in 10 years".

While U agree that no-tape preferences should be dealt with by RC's, if asked by the sender beforehand I'd turn it down.

You assuming that the book has -fresh- tape, and isn't one that was taped up years ago. I've gotten a few where they had been taped with something that was yellow and sticky on the edges. It was clear the glue was failing.

But since the ones I remember were together when I got them, and probably tossed most of them if I didn't keep them. Not worth the bother of reposting, and none of the used book stores here would take them. 



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Date Posted: 9/23/2014 2:09 PM ET
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but some members wouldn't like it and would feel they couldn't repost it without having to in turn send their own PM

No member should feel the need to PM on a postable issue on a book. In fact, PMing on postable books just causes problems most of the time so it is actually discouraged. If a member doesn't like tape on a book, they can opt to not send them themselves. That doesn't change the fact that books with tape on them are swappable as long as they are otherwise postable and there is absolutely no need to see if the requester is ok with the tape being on the book. If they don't want tape on the book, the site allows them to add a Requester Condition.

Sending books that have been "repaired" or reinforced with packing, "scotch", or other poor quality tapes may very well result in RWAPs

If a member RWAPed a book I sent that was postable and their only complaint was tape on it and they had no RC in place, not only would I not return the credit and demand they correct their error in their TA, I would report them for misusing the RWAP system without using RCs for their own personal preferences. Thankfully I have never ran into a member that thought that practice was acceptable (and I have sent a number of books with non-archival tape on them).

This is the same thing as library stamps and stickers, and lack of DJ. While many of us don't like them, the books are postable and we need to accept them without Problem or add an RC to let senders know we don't want them.

Date Posted: 9/23/2014 2:09 PM ET
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What Sara said (both posts) yes  Application of tape cannot return an unpostable book to postable condition.

Cindy, if the tape is peeling, sticky around the edges, failing, etc. The book may not meet PBS criteria for 'good, not excessively worn'  condition.

Date Posted: 9/23/2014 2:49 PM ET
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Cindy, if the tape is peeling, sticky around the edges, failing, etc. The book may not meet PBS criteria for 'good, not excessively worn'  condition.

Probably, but it'd be a judgement call by someone and I'm not sure how sucessfull I'd be in arguing the point. Usually, unless it's just WL'd or really rare, I'd not bother with it. 

I haven't put an RC on for it, so it' doesn't bother me that much. (Not like the thought of bed bugs hitching a ride does.) Although, once the tape start peeling there is the consideration about being that close to someone else's lint, animal hair, food and body particles. Because those thing pick up everything on those edges once they start to turn.

Eww.  Maybe I should have been a bit quicker to get rid of them, now that I think about it. Makes digital sound a lot more sanitary.

 

Date Posted: 9/23/2014 11:25 PM ET
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I would want to know why the tape is there. If its something to do with the book is falling apart then I wouldn't want it. If its because a kid stuck the tape on there and has nothing to do with the book at all. Then I wouldn't care. If it was bought used and it was there for who knows what reason I guess I wouldnt care either. I'd either turn it down or ask if the tape has a purpose or not.

Date Posted: 9/24/2014 1:57 AM ET
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