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Subject: Taped cover question
Date Posted: 4/13/2015 11:52 PM ET
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I just received a paperback book and I can't figure out if it's in acceptable condition. It looks like the back cover is only holding on by about 2 inches so they taped the entire spine of the book. Additionally there is tape all along the front edge of the back cover. Finally, it is an ex-library book but doesn't say "withdrawn" or anything on it. Is this an OK condition book for someone to send out?

Debbie

Date Posted: 4/14/2015 1:14 AM ET
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LIbrary books are postable, and many no longer stamp them 'Discard.'  You can goggle the library and call to confirm, but most likely the book is a discard.

Tape may be used to reinforce a cover, but tape cannot make an unpostable book postable again.  (imagine) If the tape were not present, and the book would be unpostable...the presence of tape does not change the unpostable status. 

PBS recently adjusted the length a tear may be on a book cover before it becomes unpostable...here's the current guidelines:

Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed

  • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 square inch, this is OKAY
  • a small rip (less than 1.5 inches) in the cover is OKAY
  • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.

Bottom line, the book you received is unpostable, you should RWAP.

Date Posted: 4/14/2015 1:16 AM ET
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Thanks, Denise. The part about would it be unpostable without the tape really helped clear it up!

Date Posted: 4/14/2015 1:25 AM ET
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According to the FAQ, "a small rip (less than 1.5 inches) in the cover is OKAY" and for the binding, "must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book". It sounds like it probably fails on at least 1 of those, though obviously you're in a better position to make that call ^.~

Date Posted: 4/14/2015 11:09 PM ET
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Thanks everyone. I decided to report it as having a problem as the cover had clearly mostly come off of the book.

One more question....I PM'd the member when I received the book but haven't heard back from them. By marking it as having a problem, the system offered me the next available copy. I'm not sure how to respond to that offer because I don't know if the member is going to give me the credit back or not.

Which leads me to another question...in all my years of swapping I've hardly ever had a problem either direction. Just this week I had two books (the one in this thread and another) that I thought were unacceptable to post- not because they're unreadable, but because I can't post them again in conscience. The one person who has responded has told me it's not fair that I keep the book and ask for my credit back as it's still readable. Am I right in sticking to my guns and asking that the books I receive be in postable condition-- even if still readable? It seems if we don't stick to the regulations then you never know what kind of books you'll get.

Date Posted: 4/15/2015 1:49 AM ET
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Debbie, I think you are right in "sticking to your guns" regarding the book condition. Just because a book is readable does not mean that it is also postable according to the rules of posting books in good condition.

When posting a book, PBS displays a pop-up that says :

I promise to follow the Golden Book Rule: My books have front and back covers, all pages, no liquid damage, no writing or highlighting, are not Advanced Readers Copies (ARCs), and my books are in generally good condition.

Mousing over the words "good condition" gives a pop-up that states the following:

On PBS, good condition means:
* All pages are in the book (no missing pages).
* No torn, loose, or chewed pages.
* Front and back cover are on the book - dust jackets may or may not be included.
* No writing, highlighting or underlining on text pages. A note on the flyleaf is okay.
* Binding is intact and not separated on the inside or outside of the book.
* No water damage, stains or mold of any kind.
* All supplementary CDs/audiocassettes/VHS tapes included if these were included with the original book.

Every  member must then click either "I Can Post This Book" or "I Cannot Post This Book" to indicate that the book either meets or does not meet the basic rules.

See also Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS.

The book you describe having a taped-on cover does not meet the less than 1.5" tear criterion and should not have been posted.



Last Edited on: 4/15/15 2:03 AM ET - Total times edited: 4
Date Posted: 4/15/2015 3:16 AM ET
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Yes, stick to your guns.  Readability is not PBS criteria.  When joining, members agree that books they send will specifically meet PBS guidelines for swappability (posted above by Chris).  Whether or not the sender considers the book still 'readable' is not the deciding factor.

Date Posted: 4/15/2015 7:29 PM ET
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If you don't hear back after a week, you can ask the Admin Team to look into it.

Date Posted: 4/16/2015 12:41 AM ET
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You are definitely right in sticking to your guns. I know that you weren't the one sending the damaged book, but this may help (from the FAQ under the following heading):

A requestor says there is a problem with a book I sent!

Remember that the requestor is not required to send a problem book back at his or her expense.   The sender of a problem book does risk losing credit, book and postage; this is the incentive not to send problem books. 

  • If you want a problem book back you can provide a stamped, self-addressed envelope to the requestor by snail mail (or you can give the requestor an extra Book Credit to compensate for postage, if both of you agree on that).
  • Refund and postage compensation must be completed first - before the requestor returns the book (= it is not OK to wait to refund credit until getting a problem book back in the mail, or to expect the requestor to send the book back before getting postage compensation as described above).

Damaged by Sender:

Date Posted: 4/16/2015 10:12 AM ET
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Oh yeah, 'readability' has never been the requirement here, otherwise all those buggy, curly-paged books with food smashed between pages would still be POSTABLE!  (and yes, I have gotten some with 'snacks' included!)

I volunteer at our FOL used bookstore and I see EVERYTHING come in as donations.......these donors are usually people who also shop our store so I don't understand why if they see the high quality of what we put on the shelves (our conditions are stricter than PBS), they would donate such crappy stuff.........we are basically going thru their garbage and just have to toss the buggy, humidity damaged books. We have a workroom where donations come in so those books don't even enter the actual store.  This week was a bad week, guess lots of people are doing spring cleaning and dumping their trashy books on us!

Date Posted: 4/16/2015 6:23 PM ET
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I have gotten some with 'snacks' included!...

Ewww! Jeanne! ROFL!!

Date Posted: 4/16/2015 7:01 PM ET
Member Since: 2/23/2007
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Thanks, everyone for your advice. Much appreciated!

Date Posted: 4/17/2015 12:00 AM ET
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LOL Jeanne! I got one with a giant hairy squished spider once.