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Subject: Taped notes in book
Date Posted: 4/11/2009 12:30 PM ET
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I received two books, a  paperback and hardcover, from the same person that has a piece of paper taped securely in both books.  It mentions that this book is on a journey and to log into bookcrossing.com to record it.

I was able to remove the taped notes.  On the hardcover, I removed all the tape without problems.  The jacket was also taped down.  This one is in good condition now that the note and tape are gone.  On the paperback it made a tear on the inside cover.  Not a hole but, took a layer off in a small area.   And there is a nickel size scribble with pen in the corner that is directly on the page.   I don't feel comfortable reposting this one.  Do you agree?  Is this a mark received with problem?  Should I ask for my credit back on the one and explain the taped note issue?

Any advice would be appreciated.  I have learned so much on this forum. 

Thanks so much.

Susan

 

 



Last Edited on: 4/11/09 12:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/11/2009 12:39 PM ET
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It's ok to post Book Crossing books here.  Unless the Book Crossing labels are a personal issue for you, you can just leave them in the books in the future and feel free to repost them, labels and all. 

Forgot to add that if the pen scribble is not on a text page, it should be fine to re-post your book.



Last Edited on: 4/11/09 12:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/11/2009 12:40 PM ET
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According to the rules, Bookcrossing books are allowed into the system, so they are postable with those notes in them. As for me, I would say that the small tear thing is postable, but I'm not positive about the pen. If it is on the inside cover or that first page, I would think that it was alright, as books with a name there are postable, but someone more knowledgeable than me might disagree. 

Date Posted: 4/11/2009 12:43 PM ET
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I have never come across the Bookcrossing information.  I feel silly for removing the notes -  if its a norm.   So, I guess its only the pen.  None of this bothers me, but its so hard to tell what the next person will feel.  So, I may just saw all is OK but, won't repost the scribble one.

Susan

Date Posted: 4/11/2009 12:55 PM ET
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If you go to the help docs -> "Posting books" -> "Book condition guidelines", there is a thing about the Book Crossing Books, and also under "Posting books" -> "Is my book okay to post here?" there is a larger section.

Date Posted: 4/11/2009 1:09 PM ET
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I don't think you should RWAP the books. They sound like they were postable when you recieved them. (And, if anything, your removal of the stickers may have made them unpostable).

If the removal spot on the inside cover is less than an inch, it should still be postable. I think most people interpret the rules to be that if the cover damage is less than an inch, the book remains postable.

If the scribble with pen is not on a text page, the book is still postable.

Date Posted: 4/11/2009 1:48 PM ET
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It appears I messed up by removing these tightly secured pieces of paper.   The scribbled book received the minor damage from my tape removal activity.   So, it was questionable for me anyway.  I won't post.

I just can't imagine that I would be the only person that saw these notes and got to removing right away.  I feel pretty informed because of the great people on the forums and have done a pretty good job at checking out help docs.  I have probably come across the book crossing notes, but not knowing what a bookcrossing book is I didn't expect handwritten notes secured down with lots of tape in books.  Now I know.

Thinking of the person getting a book for a friend or wanting to collect a series, these notes may not be welcomed.   Maybe I will add that in my comments to PBS when I mark the books received.

Susan

 

Date Posted: 4/11/2009 1:59 PM ET
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Some people include "No Bookcrossing books" in their requestor conditions if they are collecting, gifting, or simply don't want the books to have those kind of labels or stamps. I personally don't care, except on the one book I gifted, but I have gotten RCs on my books in the past that have had the "No Bookcrossing books" stipulation. If you don't want to have to deal with these books again, you could easily change your RCs to reflect it.

I would not comment to PBS about these books, since they were postable by PBS's guidelines, and since you had no RC against Bookcrossing books when you ordered them. The sender didn't make any kind of mistake, and now you know what a bookcrossing book entails, if you want to not get them.

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Last Edited on: 4/11/09 2:01 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/11/2009 2:13 PM ET
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Katie,

Thanks. I don't have a problem with the bookcrossing notes.  I just didn't expect them and because of that thought - oh-oh!  What will the next person think if I try to repost.   Like you said, now I know.   But, you have to know about BC to have an RC that includes this scenario.  I just can't imagine I am the only newbie (2 months) that doesn't know about them.  So, I wish that it stood out more somewhere so, I didn't have to ask all you kind people what it was. :)

By the way.....I did not mark anything as a problem.  It was never a problem for me.  Just a question about guidelines which now I know were met perfectly.

Thanks all.

Susan



Last Edited on: 4/11/09 2:44 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/11/2009 10:06 PM ET
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It's actually sort of a bummer that you removed the notes. As a bookcrosser myself, it's kind of sad to hear that the books will never be journaled by anyone now.

That being said, I'm not surprised they weirded you out. Bookcrossing is fairly well known in certain circles, but the general public at large often knows nothing about it. The use of the system is growing, but often the main way someone learns about it is by getting their hands on one of the registered books. Still, if a person doesn't want notes in their books, it is their responsibility to put such in their RCs. You don't need to know about bookcrossing to be able to say you don't want labels, writing, or stickers in a book if it's for a friend or a collection or something like that.

Date Posted: 4/12/2009 5:17 PM ET
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The bookcrossing note should have told you about bookcrossing.  If it didn't that's a poor BX note in the book.

Books with stickers are allowed in general--BX stickers aren't any different.   Many people put bookplates in their books, for example, which are also allowed. So are notes inside the cover to a recipient.

If you don't want books with stickers, please make a requestor condition.  If BX books in specific bother you, then specify those.  Bookcrossers would much rather not send you a book if the sticker is going to bother you.  If you don't journal, that's fine, but we'd rather everyone be happy and not send them if you don't want the sticker.

If you'd like to put the notes back in now that you know what they are, just send a PM to the person who sent them to you.  They can give you the Bookcrossing number that was associated with that book, assuming they are a bookcrosser and didn't just get it from someone else on here. :)  If not, it is your book to do with as you wish.  Bookcrossing is fun, even on a casual basis of books that happen to show up.

Date Posted: 4/12/2009 5:52 PM ET
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 I actually found this site this year because of bookcrossing and I too am a bit sad that you worried about the next person to read the books and thus might have ended the journey for those books. But... they are your books to do with as you please and you had the best of PBS intentions, just not with all the needed information. Check out bookcrossing! You might like it and you might get to read some freed books too! :)

Date Posted: 4/13/2009 10:05 AM ET
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Folks,

I feel bad that I removed the notes. I feel bad that I didn’t know in advance what they were. Hopefully, this post educates many. I took one for the team. 

It's actually sort of a bummer that you removed the notes. As a bookcrosser myself, it's kind of sad to hear that the books will never be journaled by anyone now.

I too am a bit sad that you worried about the next person to read the books and thus might have ended the journey for those books

I am not sure how you guarantee your books continue on their journey when this site doesn't require it.  From the help docs:

"Members receiving BookCrossing books are not obligated to "journal" them at BookCrossing.com, and PBS members may choose to keep the BookCrossing books they receive.  BookCrossing members who Post these books at PBS must accept this.

Many people put bookplates in their books, for example, which are also allowed. So are notes inside the cover to a recipient.

If you don't want books with stickers, please make a requestor condition

You don't need to know about bookcrossing to be able to say you don't want labels, writing, or stickers in a book if it's for a friend or a collection or something like that.

If I saw a bookplate, writing (which I also mentioned) or Mickey Mouse stickers instead of a posted note, I would have asked that question too.  

Date Posted: 4/13/2009 1:31 PM ET
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Hey, no worries!  I think people were just trying to explain a bit more about bookcrossing so that you know what it is.  As for the book's journey ending, don't worry about that one either.  I receive BC books from time to time and sometimes I love the book and never repost it  (or "release" it as they call it).  Thus, the book's journey sometimes ends with me, for different reasons.  Don't feel bad about this in anyway.  These books are yours to do what you want with. 

Date Posted: 4/13/2009 9:34 PM ET
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I don't think any of us meant to make it sound as though we expected some guarantee that bookcrossing books we send would be journaled, so much as we were saying that if you do pass the books on to someone else, they still would never be journaled, even if the person is an active bookcrosser, since you removed the numbers. We all know and accept that it happens though. Some people add the books to their keeper shelves without journaling them, some people (like you) remove the numbers not knowing what they are, and there are even a few people on PBS that have reported disliking bookcrossing books so much that they intentionally tear out the labels whenever possible before mailing the book off to someone else. Now, those people I really wish would just put an RC in place instead because that's just seriously petty, to know what they are and tear them out before sending the book out, even though the requestor has no RC against them.

As far as the comments on RCs go, I think we were all just answering your question about 'what if someone who didn't know was getting the book for a friend or collection?'. So, if someone were doing that, they could put RCs in place to avoid the issue.

In any case, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say I truly hope you enjoy the books, and you have nothing to feel bad about. You didn't know, and now you do. Next time, you'll know exactly what you're dealing with. Good luck! :-)

Date Posted: 4/13/2009 10:39 PM ET
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I only ever came across one book crossing book in my life.  I think it was at a hair dresser's.  I took it and read it.   I meant to release it.  Instead it stayed in my possession too long.  Somewhere along the line I re-read it ... at the pool.  The book got too wet, and ended up being thrown out.  I feel bad about that.  It was a murder mystery by Lisa Gardner.  For all you Book-Crossers out there.  I am sorry.  Hopefully, I've done enough PBS swapping to make up for this. :-)  I thought the Book Crossing idea was neat.  I might try initiating some BC with books that are in good shape but not quite up to PBS standards.

Date Posted: 4/13/2009 10:41 PM ET
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I once got a book with the taped note inside it also.  I removed it too.  I knew what Bookcrossing was but I disliked the note taped inside the front cover.  Kept the book for a while but eventually passed it on.  I don't consider that petty at all.  It was my book.  The note annoyed me so I removed it.  I don't have anything against Bookcrossing, I'm just not interested in participating there.

Date Posted: 4/14/2009 12:38 AM ET
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Sarah, I wasn't referring to people who remove the note after receiving the book because they dislike its presence. I was referring to people who leave the note in place but then just decide to remove it immediately prior to passing the book on, because they are against bookcrossing. I personally view that as being somewhat petty. From what you described, you got the book, didn't like the note, removed it, and then kept the book a while longer before passing it on. I have nothing against you for that. There are several methods of bookcrossing labeling that would annoy the heck out of me to, and which I would likely remove if they were in a book that was going to be in my possession for any real length of time. If you had said 'I posted the book, it was requested, and I ripped the bookcrossing label out because I think it's a stupid idea' THAT would be what I was referring to.

Date Posted: 4/14/2009 12:49 AM ET
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Oh, and Valerie- No worries. :-) Bookcrossing is really neat, and you can have lots of fun with it. I'm sure everyone more than understands the fact that books get damaged all the time and need to end their 'journey' prematurely. I'm sure most bookcrossers would be more appreciative of the fact that you liked the idea than they would worry about a damaged book being thrown out.

I must say, on a different note, some bookcrossers take the idea way too far. Stamps, stickers, and spine labels, ew. They deface the book so much marking it up as a bookcrossing book, it'll be amazing if it doesn't get thrown away immediately. So, if anyone here is interested in the idea, I strongly urge you to stick to basically a single bookplate/note type thing. Yes, it can be removed, but it also doesn't make the book all ugly. I use one of the actual bookcrossing bookplates myself, in the front cover, so it's as neat and non-defacing as possible.