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Subject: Taping a book
Date Posted: 3/19/2015 9:53 PM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
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I received a wl book and it was taped about 3/4 of the way up but it didn't hold. The cover and spine is coming off despite thectape job.  Its a good couple of inch rip with the tape. The top is ripped , the top of The P in Patricia is ripped aboutva 1/2 inch and the back cover has about a 2 inch rip in the back. I think somewhere it says in the help documents about tape. I can't find it now. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks.

Date Posted: 3/19/2015 10:18 PM ET
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There is nothing about tape that I know of. Tape can be on a book. Tape cannot make an unpostable book postable though and a book cannot have more than a 1.5" tear in the Cover (this has changed, used to be 1") and binding must be intact. You can find it in the Help Center Doc "Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS"

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

 

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 square inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1.5 inches) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY
Date Posted: 3/19/2015 11:24 PM ET
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Oh..ok. Thank you. This book is taped 3/4 of the way up the front, I'm thinking to keep it together because it's coming apart.
Date Posted: 3/20/2015 3:07 AM ET
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Since the OP got her answer, I feel okay about derailing this thread.  I hope others don't mind.  Because Melanie mentioned the change in allowable cover tear length, I decided to go read the entire help doc mentioned above.  I've copied and pasted it below for easy access.  There is at least one other change I noticed:  It used to be no torn pages were allowed.  Some of my books are unpostable due to a teensy weensy itsby bitsy tear on one page.  Now it says, "No torn or chewed/gnawed pages, as below:  (and below it says)  Tears up to an inch are OK if they don't interfere with text."  

My question is:  Did they notify us somewhere of these changes?  Was it mentioned in the newsletter or elsewhere?

Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS

When you Post a book, you are asked to confirm that the book is "in good condition, and not excessively worn".  It is impossible to list all of the ways in which a book might be considered excessively worn, but the criteria below are as comprehensive as we have been able to make them.

If you feel your book falls into a "grey area", you can either post the book and send a Personal Message to the requestor, or not post the book.  We have delineated what we can, and we expect members to follow these rules, and use their common sense in cases that are unclear.  If you would not mind "paying" a credit for a book you are considering posting, then it is probably okay to post.  However, book condition can be a subjective matter.  Keep in mind that a pattern of sending out poor-condition or inappropriate books will jeopardize a sender's membership.

These Guidelines are not suggestions.  They are criteria to which all books Posted here MUST comply.

All of the information below apply both to swapping for credits and Box-O-Books swapping.

General remarks:

  • This is a used-book swapping site; books are not expected to be in like-new condition.
    • Older books may have some page yellowing or spine-creasing or dogeared pages; these are all OKAY.
    • Decirculated library books may have various markings and/or stamps inside or outside or on the page edges of the book; this is OKAY. These may not obscure text.
    • BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY.These may not obscure text.
    • Hardbacks do NOT have to include their dustjackets.
    • Audiobooks MUST be the original cassettes/CDs, but do NOT have to include the outer "box" that held the set.
    • Audiobooks must be playable and have all the CDs/cassettes.
    • Books that require batteries to work do NOT have to have working batteries.
    • "Playaway" books must include working headphones.
    • Since this is a used-book swap, members should not expect to receive non-Media items with the books.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for textbooks; see below.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for cookbooks; see below.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for travel guides; see below.
  • We do NOT have a place for members to describe the condition of a particular copy of a book.
    • ALL books on PBS are expected to be in "good, not excessively worn" condition
    • Books are requested in FIFO (first-in, first-out) order
  • If you would like your books to be in "better-than-PBS" condition :
    • You are responsible for setting Requestor Conditions on your account.

Guidelines:                                                                                                                                       

Overall Condition:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid
  • Not soiled
  • No stains (exception for cookbooks--see below)
  • No mold
  • no highlighting, underlining or writing on text pages (exception for Textbooks/Workbooks and travel guidebooks --see below)

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below.

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 square inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1.5 inches) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Pages:

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages, as below:
    • Tears up to an inch are OK if they don't interfere with text.
    • Yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages
    • for travel guide books - maps if designed to be detachable may be detached, but must be included.
    • for picture books/children's books - all pages, including those with pictures and no text must be included.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages
    • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
    • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
    • writing or highlighting or underlining on the text pages is NOT OKAY
      • Exception: if it is a textbook or workbook, these are expected to have highlighting/underlining/writing
        • if you post a textbook/workbook, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • You can use the PM button on the request on your My Account page to send a message
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for travel guidebooks and cookbooks--see below).
        • Please read What is the definition of a textbook? for a discussion of that.
      • Exception: if it is a travel guide (not a picture book but a guide, such as Fodor's or Lonely Planet), some writing on text pages could be expected.  All maps must be present and included with the book - if detachable it is OK if they are detached, but they must not be missing.
        • if you post a travel guide that has writing in it, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • You can use the PM button on the request on your My Account page to send a message
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for textbooks/workbooks and cookbooks--see above and below).
    • No staining

      • Exception: Cookbooks may have some mild staining, since these are used in the kitchen and while cooking, and some minor degree of staining could be expected in a used cookbook.  Also a small amount of writing in cookbooks could be expected
        • HOWEVER, if you post a cookbook and it is stained and/or written-in, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • You can use the PM button on the request on your My Account page to send a message
        • This is the one of the ONLY three cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the others are for travel guidebooks and textbooks/workbooks--see above).
    • this exception applies to the covers of cookbooks also.
  • Page edges: remainder marks are OK.  A name written on the page edges is okay (if it does not bleed in and obscure text on the text pages)

Audiobooks

  • Audiobooks must be originals--not copies! 
    • Copies are illegal.  Swapping illegal materials here will get you expelled from the club.
    • burned audio downloads are not permitted on the site--these could be legal (being the only copies you made), but since there is no way to verify this, they are not permitted.
  • Audiobooks do NOT have to include the box that enclosed the individual cassettes/CDs
    • The audiobooks should be packaged well if the box is missing, to prevent damage by USPS en route
    • Audio CDs must be shipped in a way that will protect them from scratching (CD cases/DVD cases work well), if the original box is missing
  • Audiobooks must be playable to be swapped here, without more than three (minor) skips.
  • "Playaway" audio books must include the headphones (batteries do NOT have to be included).

Ex-library Books

  • The posting member must check that the library book has been withdrawn/decirculated from the library collection . This is easy to do:
    • Check the pages/cover for "WITHDRAWN" stamps or the equivalent.
    • If no stamps or notations are visible, contact the library (you can find the telephone number using a Google search for the library), provide the number on the book (they'll tell you where to find it on the book) and they can confirm its status.

Interactive Books

  • These include popup and lift-the-flap books and children's books that have interactive functions (LEDs, sounds, etc).
    • The functions must be working (popups/flaps not torn or missing, sounds/lights functional etc).
    • If these items have replaceable batteries, these do NOT have to be included. Each item must be tested and verified that it is working before it is posted though.

Supplementary/Accompanying Materials:

  • Books that originally came with supplementary Media materials may be posted -  the supplementary Media materials MUST be included.

    • supplementary Media materials include CD(s)/CD-ROMs/DVD(s)/VHS tape(s)
    • if the book originally included supplementary Media materials, the supplementary materials must accompany the book for the book to be postable.
    • The supplementary materials cannot be posted alone - both the book and the supplementary media must be included in the posting.  
    • These combination listings are valued at 1 credit.
  • Books that require non-Media supplementary materials MAY NOT be posted

    • an example would be a book that requires a decoder to be read.
    • these items cannot be sent MediaMail
    • These items cannot be posted here - because a used book cannot be expected to have original accompanying NON-media items, and if the book is not usable without the non-media items, the book must not be posted.
  • Books that originally had accompanying non-Media materials that are not required to read the book (ie, jewelry) MAY be posted.
    • The extra material does not have to be included, and if it is included, the book must not be sent using Media mail rate.
    • Since this is a used-book swap, members should not expect to receive non-Media items with their books.
  • Books that require batteries to work do NOT have to include the batteries, but the books MUST be in working condition.
  • The member who sends a book that requires batteries must test the book before posting it, and again before sending it.  The batteries do not have to be included when it is shipped (although they can be), but the item must have been tested and working before the item is sent.
Date Posted: 3/20/2015 3:40 AM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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As already mentioned, tape cannot make an unpostable book postable.  If it is unpostable without tape, it is unpostable with tape.

Tape can re-inforce a book from becoming more damaged and therefore unpostable.  But once that unpostable status is reached, tape cannot cure the problem.

Date Posted: 3/20/2015 9:06 AM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
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This book should never have been posted. I can't figure some folks out with that. The thrift store throws books like this out. 

Sassy brings up a point, I didn't notice that changes in condition of books would change. I think they should have kept it the way it was. Plus if, take the book I received, if there's a 1 1/2 tear on the back cover, a 1 1/2 inch on the front cover and pages that have some tears that are less than inch, etc..who would want that??? I mean if we equate a credit to 2.00 (because I've seen them in the book bazaar for that) would you buy that book for 2.00? I wouldn't. 

Here's a dilemma, I read a lot where people say if anyone has an RC they just decline, don't read them and that's that. Now I feel like we need them so we don't get ripped books.

That being said, I usually get books in good to great condition.There's so many nice people here too so overall the experinces are great and I appreciate PBS for giving me those experiences.



Last Edited on: 3/20/15 10:13 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/20/2015 10:12 AM ET
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I, for one, am glad that they have now said pages may have tears up to 1" instead of no tears. I went round and round with a member once because I had sent a book that had a 1/4" tear on the edge of 2 pages in the entire book and they wanted their credit back. It was a like new book with two tiny edge tears! To my way of thinking, small edge tears like that come with used books. I think PBS expects us to use common sense in interpreting the rules and for me, RWAPing a book for two 1/4" tears was exploiting the rules. I agree with Michelle that I would not want a book with 1" tears throughout but in my experience, the occasional 1" tear on a page is more likely to happen. Taping a cover on is breaking the rules, not just attempting to exploit the rules!

I don't remember being made aware of changes in the condition guidelines and that's something we all SHOULD be aware of.

Date Posted: 3/20/2015 2:10 PM ET
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I don't remember being made aware of changes in the condition guidelines and that's something we all SHOULD be aware of.

+1  I completely agree, Sally. 

 

 

Date Posted: 3/20/2015 5:30 PM ET
Member Since: 4/28/2009
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Same here, never saw or heard from anyone about the changes.  I am ok with very tiny tears in a few pages as long as they don't interfere with the printed text.......over the past few years I have removed dozens of books from swapping due to tears at the edges in text pages.