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Subject: Is a thanks a bump?
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 12:35 PM ET
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So Im wondering what everyones opinion is about this. Does saying thanks for an order make it a bump? If you just got an order and you go to your thread to confirm it does adding a quick little thanks for the order while its still close to the top of the page make it an attempt to hog the front page? Are thanks even a bump? What Ive always thought of as a bump is a useless post that does nothing but push your thread back to the top because it has fallen off the front page. But is a thanks when its already there anything more than an attempt at being courteous to the members who have ordered from the deal?

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 12:39 PM ET
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I wouldn't consider a Thanks a bump.    You are acknowledging that you got the order and thanking them for it.  HOW is that considered a bump??  It doesn't! 

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 12:48 PM ET
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To me it depends on when.

If it's already near the top from the order post, then no.  It really hasn't bumped the post, so how could it be a bump?

If you came back two days later and posted it, then...it's more borderline to me that you are looking to bump without "bump"ing.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 12:55 PM ET
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I prefer ordering from a deal when the original poster has acknowledged the previous ones. sometimes there are 3-4 responses and it's hard to keep track of the freebies taken but If I've seen the orginal poster's post saying 'shelf updated' o r something to that effect I go ahead and check it out.

I think bumps are when no one's posted anything or posted anythng since the last bump..I've seen some where there are 4 posts and they are all the original poster.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 12:57 PM ET
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I never thought it was but one time when I had some books on here and I thanked some people, I was emailed by another member and told that it was a bump and wasn't allowed. So I never did it again.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:00 PM ET
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Well, I think they were wrong Ivy.  Wrong in their take on the matter AND wrong to PM you with it.   But as usual that is just MY opinion.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:16 PM ET
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Thats my thinking Susanna and Cozi, acknowledging an order is totally different from bumping a thread just to get it to the top.



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Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:25 PM ET
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Thanks Cozi!

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:36 PM ET
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Ive seen new members decide that the forums (and on occasion the whole site) aren't for them becuase of something like the pm you got Ivy. Glad you didnt though if I were ordering Id check out your shelf. Im adding you to my buddy list so I can look you up in June.

ETA man there are some books on your shelf I want. Grr me and my big mouth and not ordering. I am strong. I have will power I will not order ..... yet.



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 1:45 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:45 PM ET
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OH Oh ! Are we not allowed to bump anymore ? Heck , I've been bumping since 2005 . ! Guess I'd better be more alert to these things or I'll be in BIG trouble !

Hugs , Ethel

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 1:46 PM ET
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As far as I know Ethel we get one bump a day. What Im wondering is if the general members think that thanking others for orders and acknowledging them is considered a bump.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:03 PM ET
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Chris, I will come clean and admit that it was I who thought that thank-you's are bumps.  In the grand scheme of things, it is trivial, but I mention it only because I have seen new members criticized for it and think that is not quite fair.  I have read somewhere, and my search of now has been fruitless, of course, that even that kind of post is bumping, even though the word "bump" is not specifically used.  Perhaps the reasoning is that you could PM the person or the message will be sent to them when you accept the order, thereby still informing them but not actually bumping the topic.

At one time, I was also replying with thank-yous but stopped after I had read the postings that addressed it.

Unless I am misunderstanding it, each bump would pop that thread back up and drive the others down one notch every time it happened.

This is the first time I have said something "controversial" since I started and I confess, it has made me a bit uneasy.  I debated quite a while before contacting you, Chris, because I value your input and participation on this great site and didn't want to ruffle any established feathers!

Thanks for reading this long post!  Cindy

Edited to say:  I will certainly abide by what the consensus is.

 

 



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 2:04 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:08 PM ET
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I don't consider it a "bump" which is to bring the thread up near the top because of no activity.  Acknowleding an order is good form because others that might order know that the OP got the order, is processing it and has either taken books off the shelf and is checking their thread.  I personally hate it when the OP says to PM them and isn't planning to check the thread for freebies and if you don't PM them you won't get the books.  Unless they have books I really really want I won't order from them.

so that is my 2 cents

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:11 PM ET
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Now Cindy there was no need for that. I didnt even mention a pm. I wasnt trying to make a woe is me I got a mean pm thread. I genuinely wanted to know what the general membership thought before I responded to you because I wanted information before coming back at it.

I assumed I was of the same thinking as others but I wanted to know if I had missed a memo or something.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:22 PM ET
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Chris, you were insulted by my post?  1) that was totally NOT my intention and 2) you didn't get a mean PM.  I tried to be polite and considerate.  I thought I worded both the PM and the post in a non-confrontational manner.  Your decision to see what the general membership thinks is a good one. 

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:23 PM ET
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Leslie you and I are of two thinkings on one of your comments. By not sending a pm the requestor may paint a person into a corner. Say you order Book A and want BCD as your freebies but someone else orders book D. If you dont pm then Im gonna accept the order for D without knowing it was one of your freebies. Thus Im gonna hafta scramble to either cancel on one or the other after both orders are accepted.

 

Anyway heres how I see the difference between needless bumps and acknowledging an order:

Example thread #1 (needless bumps)

Imnotdaria (Janine G) Got a 2 for 1 going I need credits please order. (posted at 8:15 am)

Imnotdaria (Janine G) I have a ton of great books (posted at 10:45 am)

Imnotdaria (Janine G) Pretty please I need credits Ive got wl books to accept (12:01 pm)

Imnotdaria (Janine G) Come on just order already (1:25 pm)

Example thread #2 (acknowledging orders and thanking)

Riddick (Vin D) Got a 3 for one deal going. Order your book and pm me with freebies. Thanks (6:45 am)

Punkedpunk (Ashton K) Hey great deal I ordered How to Prank Someone Succesfully I'd like Zen and the Art of Punking and Punked: The Life and Times of a Prankster as my freebies (7:12 am)

Cougar (Demi M) Hi I ordered Living With a Younger Man and Id like How to Live With an Strange Ex Husband and Diehard III as my freebies. Thanks (8:26 am)

Riddick (Vin D) Hey thanks for the orders guys. (8:49 am)



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 2:37 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:25 PM ET
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I didnt say I was offended and Im not and it wasnt a mean pm. But from outward appearances without knowledge of the inner workings of the situation (which I tried to give in my reply post to you) a person might see this as a play for sympathy which it is not. It was an attempt to garner information before replying to the pm you sent me. ;)



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 2:35 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 2:52 PM ET
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My last post and I'll shut up about this.  If I look at it this way it makes sense:  a post replying to a person's request on a book deal acknowledges to all who look at the post that the dealer is agreeing to the book selection and therefore letting others know that those books are no longer available.  So can we now all agree that "thank-you'" and "shelf updated" and similar comments are legitimate and allowable?  Makes sense to me and thanks for the comments.

Cindy

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 3:19 PM ET
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I always thanked and still do thank people for their orders on any "deal" threads I've started. I'm also of the mind that a "thank you" is not a bump. But I have seen this topic come up before and I have seen people chastized for saying thank you and sending their thread  back to the top.

Aside from that, I've never understood the whole public policing thing - heck, largely I don't understand the whole polite PM thing to "gently" remind someone of something. I think sometimes it warrants it if someone could seriously get in trouble and you're giving them a head's up but usually, no. And not in this case - and that isn't said to offend anyone, it's just my opinion. It tends to cause more ruffled feathers than not. Ya know - don't sweat the small stuff ---- :)

Cindy - regardless of what the minute group of people agree to on this thread there will be tons others that don't agree. It's the nature of this and any other forum. This will come up again (go over to the "questions" forum) and it will sway the other way like I've seen it before. Do what you think is right - and usually the TGs know pretty much what is right and not, but I've seen them disagree too on how to interpret the rules.

As far as "shelf updated" posts - not necessary in my opinion and that IS and excuse to bump. Those can be done in the same "thank you" posts.

 



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 3:23 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 3:47 PM ET
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Hi, new to the topic, but "technically" posting ANYTHING to your topic is bumping according to the sticky post at the beginning of the forum, by Robert. I quote:

Members may "bump" their topics a maximum of once a day (bumping = posting a new post in a topic for the purpose of keeping the topic on the front page of the forum topic list). Adding a new post with new information is considered bumping.

So, technically it is bumping, it's just a matter of whether the consensus is that it is legitimate bumping or not. I think thanking people for their orders is a good thing, I appreciate it, I do it, but I try to wait to see if I'm going to get another and do both in one. Since, I'm like Cindy, afraid of being criticized for 'bumping'.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 4:02 PM ET
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I do not see a thank you and shelf updated post as a bump (together that is, I agree that seperately could be pushing it).  I always respond to people ordering, both so that they can know that I have their books pulled, and so that other members can know that they are not choosing books that aren't available any more.  It makes a sale run more smoothly for the people doing the ordering.  For that reason, I actually see it as a courtesy to the members looking for deals.

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 4:08 PM ET
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I think its just common courtesy and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Check out my shelf.  I am doing 6 for 1



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 4:13 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 4:09 PM ET
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My 2 cents:  As an ordering member, I like to see replys that acknowledge the orders.  Particularly, the "my shelf has been updated to this point" are great.  Sometimes I worry that when I order, the member may be getting pms without a thread request and my freebie may be taken.  thank yous often serve this purpose as well.

- Tracy

Date Posted: 1/19/2008 4:34 PM ET
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Sherry, thanks for posting the info from the sticky thread!

See my take on it would be this:

bumping = posting a new post in a topic for the purpose of keeping the topic on the front page of the forum topic list).

I think that a thank you/update post in response to activity already occuring on the thread is not for the purpose of keeping the topic on the front page.  Wouldn't that only be true if your topic had no activity and was therefore getting ready to drop onto the second page?  True, you are going back to the top, but if you are currently getting orders you are on the front page anyway, so does it really matter where on the front page you are?

May be I am off base in that thinking, I am interested to see what everyone else has to say about that...



Last Edited on: 1/19/08 4:55 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/19/2008 8:58 PM ET
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I don't think posting a thank you is specifically for the purpose of keeping your thread on the first page.  I think it's for the purpose of thanking someone for their order.  I personally prefer to see the OP thanking and acknowledging the orders in thread.  I am more apt to order from someone who is visibly on top of their orders.

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