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Subject: I don't *think* I'm supposed to mark this RWP, but this is gross - what to
Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:11 PM ET
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Since smushed boogers aren't specifically listed as a reason a book is unpostable, I don't know what to do.  Just received a paperback, that was on my WL.  I want to go back to the number one spot because this gross thing has already gone into the trash.  There was a big, yellow, crusty booger right smack in the middle of the back cover.  Ew! 

I don't think I can technically mark it RWP, but I don't know if my comments will carry any weight if I don't, and I'd like the opportunity to say something to the sender.  What should I do?  How can I get put back at the front of the WL line?

Kate -
Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:21 PM ET
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I think it's a stain. A horrible, nasty, dried bodily fluid stain. Definitely RWAP

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:21 PM ET
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I think smushed boogers fall under "no staining" and "no soiling" and also miss the "in good condition" mark that sucker RWAP.

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:22 PM ET
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Wouldn't that count as staining?  Just, ew. 

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:24 PM ET
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Ok, so you all think that counts as staining?  I couldn't decided, because if one was inclined (and I'm NOT), one could scrape it off, clean it up, voila, so it's not an actual stain, but no way in heck I'm I scraping someone's boogie off a book.

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:27 PM ET
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I think even if you scraped it off, there would be a stain left behind. I'd die laughing if that's what they told you, "just scrape it off, its still readable!"

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 2:30 PM ET
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Ok, thank you, I'll mark it RWP.  I was so grossed out that I tossed it right into the trash and only later thought I should have taken a photo, but a couple other things have gone into the trash on top of it, so that's out.  I also would have cut off the back, and recycled the book, but it was so surprising and so icky, I just reacted and tossed it.  *shudder*

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 4:05 PM ET
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I agree with the others - boogers on the book make it not in good condition, whether it is a stain or not. That should be a RWP so the sender will learn they cannot get away with posting that sort of thing here.

 

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 4:43 PM ET
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Well, it seems the shadow of suspicion is on the sender's mail carrier lady sinced the boogie wasn't there when she wrapped it up tight and taped it (in 2 individual layers of wrapping none the less).  *sigh*  Yet another credit gone. 

edited to add that the mail lady has serious skills and should be recruited by the fbi to break into safes or something.  I could not tell that the package had been opened, a booger smeared, and the package re-sealed.  It was flawless, like it never happened.



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Date Posted: 6/18/2009 4:47 PM ET
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If it had been a book I sent out I'd probably be so embarrassed that I'd refund the credit without comment. I sure as hell wouldn't be arguing over it (as sender).
Date Posted: 6/18/2009 4:48 PM ET
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edited to add that the mail lady has serious skills and should be recruited by the fbi to break into safes or something.  I could not tell that the package had been opened, a booger smeared, and the package re-sealed.  It was flawless, like it never happened.

They are trained how to do it in mail carrier school!

yuck.

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 5:10 PM ET
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That is beyond disgusting...  I'd mark it RWAP in a split second!!!!  Yuck...

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 5:22 PM ET
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Um...how do you know it's a booger?  Just curious.  I'm not certain I could distinguish a real booger from any other disgusting morsel of I don't know what dried onto a book.  Regardless of the crud's pedigree, it still qualifies as a stain and is therefore, unpostable but I was curious as to how you came to the conclusion that is was a booger.

Ewwww!

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 5:57 PM ET
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Well, I feel just fine cleaning books, myself. 
If something was stuck to the cover I would just get a paper towel, spray it with bleach cleaner, and see if it came off. 
If not, definite RWAP. If yes, then ... great. Read and repost.

Not that I would want a book with boogers or send one out, myself. It just seems kind of impractical to toss it in the trash, when it very likely could be cleaned.

Anyway, you get just as many (if not more) germs touching any kind of public door handle, public bathroom anything, money, etc.

And, germs are good for you! (Anyone else see the frequent news stories about how some scientists are correlating the rise in asthma cases to the fact that kids nowadays are exposed to less germs and general "dirt" than they were a generation or two ago?)

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 6:16 PM ET
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And, germs are good for you!  I don't care how good it is for me. I will not handle a strangers boogers. And I only say strangers because I am sure I have had to deal with a nieces or nephews boogers at one time or another, but it is still gross. I wouldn't ever bother trying to get booger off of a book I received. I'd put it in the box for the FOL sale. I sort for one and there are more nasties going around in those sales than just a wee little booger.

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 6:57 PM ET
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I also would like to know how you KNOW it is a booger, especially since I do believe you said it was yellow?!?!  There are various glues that look similar and dry yellow.....I am with Sara P..though I'd use some alcohol, clean it off and move on....

Perhaps it is my medical background but, I do find people (general people) over reacting to things they think are bodily fluids, it is rather amusing!!!

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 7:45 PM ET
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If Julie has a child, and a male child at that, then I'd bet she most certainly can identify a nose goblin.

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 9:35 PM ET
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LMAO so gross....yes I would mark it RWAP but maybe it IS glue...still its not a good book..I would ask for my credit back and let her deal with  the mail lady she blamed

Date Posted: 6/18/2009 11:36 PM ET
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I guess I'm in the minority here, but I just don't think I could mark it RWAP & actually tell the sender why I marked it RWAP. I'm sure they'll be very embarrassed...I mean I'm sure they didn't stick it on there on purpose before sending it out (at least I hope not). Although it is disgusting, I'd just toss it out & purchase a copy or go to the back of the WL line. Just so the sender wouldn't have to be embarrassed. But like the others have said, how can you be so sure it is actually a booger???



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Date Posted: 6/18/2009 11:59 PM ET
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That is just gross. In no way would I be cleaning a book that even remotely looked like it had boogers on it. I got a book once with blood drops all over several pages ... fairly large blood drops. That was equally gross. It went in the trash and if I got a booger book, that's where it would go too! lol
Date Posted: 6/19/2009 12:40 AM ET
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Just so the sender wouldn't have to be embarrassed

I grew up very timid, and have just recently learned that it's good to assert myself.  I'm sure Julie wasn't rude about it, but still, sending a book with unidentified guck on it IS embarrassing, and they should be embarrassed. I've actually cleaned the books I send out for this very reason (also to see if it stained the book, which would make it unpostable).

I may have tried to resolve this myself before marking RWAP, but that's a matter of personal style.  Some people don't take well to an admonishment without an appeal to authority.

Date Posted: 6/19/2009 12:48 AM ET
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I mean I'm sure they didn't stick it on there on purpose before sending it out (at least I hope not).  Yeah, but isn't that what last inspection is for? To catch the boogs and other things that snuck into the book without your knowledge. I would approach the RWAP delicately, like saying it in a way that it could have been missed when wrapping it, but insist on getting my credit back since the book was sent unpostable and unreadable.

Date Posted: 6/19/2009 7:53 AM ET
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I didn't ask for my credit back.  I've been inundated with books that should have never been posted for credit, and I'm just tired of the hassle it takes to get a credit back.  It's a bizarre response to be so mean and rude when called on the carpet.  I have sent out close to 150 books and have no RWP.  If I have even a hint of a doubt it will go to charity instead.  Now, they're not all new and perfect books, and I don't expect new and perfect books in return, but they've all met guidelines.  If one got past my thorough inspection, in no way would I respond with the negative and mean way I and others have been responded to.  It simply requires a "sorry it got past me, here's your credit back".  I just find it very odd and telling that folks would do something wrong and then take the time to defend it.  However that seems to be the general way I've discovered, so I just got tired of the fight, so I lost a credit on this one (and others).  I've had multiple unpostable books in recent weeks, everything from writing, a stain, which I hope is coffee, now this booger (and I'm certainly not wasting my time describing how I know it was a booger, I'd have to be pretty stupid to not be able to recognize glue).

However, because I want to do my part and help weed out bad traders I marked it RWP.  That was also the way to get my place back in line. 

Date Posted: 6/19/2009 10:37 AM ET
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Perhaps it is my medical background but, I do find people (general people) over reacting to things they think are bodily fluids, it is rather amusing!!!

As an EMT, CPR Instructor, Bloodborne pathogens instructor, and microbiologist, I think not wanting to touch and not being willing to touch bodily fluids from an unknown person is smart. 

From the American Red Cross's Bloodborne Pathogens class: "Indirect contact is when you come in contact with materials that have been in contact with body fluids, such as soiled linens or equipment". 

I perosnally wouldn't want to touch a book that had blood, urine, or semen on it.  Why are boogers any different? 

If you want to glove up and grab the bleach to clean bodily fluids off a book, be my guest, but I'm with Julie--I wouldn't want that sent to me!

ETA: We had 2 emergency responders exposed to a patient's bodily fluids recently.  Trust me, it was anything BUT amusing.  I find it really sad that someone who claims to have medical training thinks it's funny when people are upset by the presence of bodily fluids that could possibly contain microbes that can harm them.



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Date Posted: 6/19/2009 11:13 AM ET
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Perhaps it is my medical background but, I do find people (general people) over reacting to things they think are bodily fluids, it is rather amusing!!!

What exactly is your medical degree in?

Yeah, I would say Sheryl is right on the money. Someone with a medical background should know that going around touching bodily fluids from an unknown person isn't the brightest thing to do.

It's why those truly IN the medical field wear latex (or other) gloves when they handle patients ... or bodily fluids. My daughter does and she is actually IN the medical field. As in she works in a hospital and even around pregnant women they wear gloves.

Most of us aren't going to go purchase a box of gloves to clean gook off of a book.

 



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