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Subject: I'm thinking of submitting an idea to PBS, what do you think?
Date Posted: 10/13/2015 5:37 PM ET
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I sometimes find I (I don't know it happens exactly) that I have 2 copies of a book. Sometimes they're WLed too. I think it would be a good idea to be able to list them at the same time. Right now, you have to wait until 1 copy is mailed then you can post the other copy. Does anyone else think my idea has merit? or is there some downside I haven't seen?

 

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Date Posted: 10/13/2015 5:58 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/13/2015 6:02 PM ET
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Good point on more than 1 additional copy! I never thought of that..



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Date Posted: 10/13/2015 11:50 PM ET
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I don't mind the idea but as a programmer, I suspect that it would be complex and expensive to implement, as it runs counter to the way that i suspect they have their database tables designed, with probably not much demand by users for it, which if there was, might offset the cost of implementation.

Date Posted: 10/14/2015 12:16 AM ET
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This was built into the original system to protect us from posting one book twice. From my understanding, it is not a simple fix. There are layers of other changes built on top of the original set up.

That said, if you receive two copies of a book with one ISBN, you can list two. Such as if the first copy was not marked mailed but you did mark it received. Or a lost copy.

Date Posted: 10/14/2015 9:17 AM ET
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I have often had duplicates--especially childrens books--and would love to be able to post both. When that happens now one gets posted and one gets donated to the FOL sale or to the temple preschool.

Date Posted: 10/15/2015 10:05 AM ET
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Because I volunteer in our FOL used  bookstore, I often see multiple copies come in of WL books when a bookclub finishes a book or a school teacher clears her shelves so I too wish there 'was a way' to post multiple copies.....though I have been able to when the ISBNs are different despite them looking exactly alike.

Date Posted: 10/16/2015 9:25 PM ET
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I dont see what asking them to think about it would do. ya never know till ya ask.

Date Posted: 10/16/2015 9:38 PM ET
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I was thinking about asking pbs and garnering input. If the idea didn't have merit I wanted to know...but I think you sort of knew that Shannon right?

Date Posted: 10/17/2015 12:15 AM ET
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There is a way currently to list more than one copy of a book. Although I am not necessarily recommending this suggestion, it may be worth considering in some cases.

The first book can be posted using its ISBN and a second copy could be posted without an ISBN and letting the system assign a 6-digit "short ISBN" to it, and the true ISBN for the book can be listed in the book description section for reference.  Just sayin'...



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Date Posted: 10/17/2015 1:57 PM ET
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You should submit the idea because I think it's probably been suggested in the past.  Maybe they implement when enough members want a change.  On the flip side I think it's good we cannot accidently post twice.  Imagine the horror of false wl postings! 

Date Posted: 10/21/2015 4:40 PM ET
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I think the reason we cannot do this is not only to prevent us from posting twice, but also to be fair to all members with copies of the book on getting in line and not let a single member get all their copies to the front of the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 10/21/2015 7:32 PM ET
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Doesn't directed delivery which PBS now implements negate any FIFO?

Date Posted: 10/21/2015 9:24 PM ET
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I've forgotten exactly what directed delivery means, but that might explain part of the reason why our copy of a book with dozens of posters ahead of us in line gets chosen.  This has happened multiple times in the recent past.  I know there are other reasons that this could happen, one being someone reading the forums looks to see what you have posted.

-- Jill

Date Posted: 10/21/2015 10:19 PM ET
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Doesn't directed delivery which PBS now implements negate any FIFO?

No. Not everyone's books are requested based on DD. And even with directed delivery, it is the first book in the FIFO line that will get to you the fastest. If there are 6 books that calculate to get to you in an estimated 4 days, the first book in the FIFO line should be selected. 

Date Posted: 10/22/2015 7:50 PM ET
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I think they deliberately have it set up so you can't post more than one copy due to the FIFO system. I vaguelly remember reading that they have it set up that way so that people have a chance of getting their book requested even if it is a common, multiple copy book.  IF someone posted 10 copies of a common book to their BS, then those would be requested before the next copy posted by someone else sort of thing.  So they are trying to be fair by restricting everyone to one copy of the book. Make sense?  

With WL books, if you have multiple copies, I imagine they would go pretty fast if you post one at a time anyway since they are in demand. 

Date Posted: 10/24/2015 2:39 PM ET
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FIFO is an acronym for First in First Out. Directed delivery overrides that and to what purpose? Despite the timeframes PBS represents media mail as per USPS is between 3 and 8 business days. The mailing timeframe is the shortest component in the transaction, so what is the purpose? It is 5 day to accept and 7 days to mail - what does it matter if the mailing  receipt time is 3 or 8 days when the PBS processing system provides for 12 days?



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Date Posted: 10/26/2015 1:26 PM ET
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I understand your wanting to post both copies of a book, but think about this:  let's say you have two copies of a WL book to post.  Then there are ten or twelve people ahead of you that have the same book, and they all have two or more (and I've had two or more in my possession at once) to post.  Let's also say there are twenty people waiting for the book.  So they post these books first, and now there are 24 or more copies of the book listed before you even get yours up.  Now it's not a WL book anymore.  

I have seen on occasion twenty people asking for a book, then a short time later the book is listed on the home page because everyone wanting a copy has received one.  So possibly, this could happen.  And you could also be one of the people to list those 24 copies, leaving someone else out.  Is it really that much trouble to hang onto a WL book for a few extra days until you mail one?  Or why not mail it the same day you receive the request and then list the book?

But by all means, suggest to PBS and see what happens; you never know.

 

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 3:49 PM ET
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Is it really that much trouble to hang onto a WL book for a few extra days until you mail one?

I agree with you, JoAnne.  Of the things I wish PBS would change, this isn't even on my list.

Date Posted: 10/26/2015 3:54 PM ET
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" Is it really that much trouble to hang onto a WL book for a few extra days until you mail one?  " I don't believe I even implied this? frown  After reading all these of course I wouldn't submit the idea now. That's why I did post this; to get the pros and cons, however I failed to see where I complained about it..I have had 2 books, while I was posting I though it would be great to post them at once <shrug> That's it..no complaint, no hassle, no trouble in hanging onto books, etc

 

Apparently, it was just a real stupid idea that i thought of ...that's it, no hidden anything to it.

 

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 6:17 AM ET
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Michele, not everyone thinks it's a stupid idea.  I certainly didn't. smiley

In my "book", no question is a stupid question unless it's not asked... even then, it probably isn't, either.

-- Jill

Date Posted: 10/27/2015 9:42 AM ET
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The initial question didn't just apply to WL books. I very often have 2 copies of a non-WL book that I'd like to post. That book may be requested in days...or months..or a year or two. I'm not holding on to the second copy to post after the first is requested--who knows how long it will be before the first copy is requested?? But if I could post both, then I would do so--at least then they'd both be moving up the FIFO line.