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Subject: tired of virginal heroine
Date Posted: 6/3/2009 4:52 PM ET
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I have been reading romance novels for yearssss and truly tired of reading about a heroine that is still a virgin.  Who's with me on this one? 

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 6:40 PM ET
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I am, but I believe that we are in the minority.

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 7:26 PM ET
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I'm not. I've read many books lately where they are not virgins so I haven't been over exposed. But they never bothered me anyway. I like the idea of an inexperienced woman or virgin finding the "one". I am tired of "rakes" who should be diseased ridden with as much experience they have :)

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 7:30 PM ET
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I can take 'em or leave 'em. I do get tired of the glorification of virginity and the idea that hymens prove total innocence and purity.

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 7:38 PM ET
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I personally don't care but I mostly read historicals, and it's more plausible in a historical than it is in a contemporary.  I read a few contemporaries, and was sorta shocked to find out that there were virgin heroines in so many of them.  That one caught me totally by surprise.  In the authors that I read, I like to see a balance of some sort - not all virgins, not all experienced.  I don't think it should be something requiring a formula or a lot of hand-wringing.  It should be whatever works best with the story and not be determined by the preferences of readers, publishers, trends, etc.  Just start writing and let it flow:P

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 7:48 PM ET
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I have not come across a lot of virgin heroines in contemporary romances, and the fact that so many heroines are not virigins even in historical romances any more simply is a reflection of changing mores and social acceptance.

Date Posted: 6/3/2009 10:26 PM ET
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I don't mind virgin heroines if it seems believeable with the character and the story.  The books where the hero mistrusts the heroine and then decides she must be trustworthy/ loveable when he finds she is a virgin make me crazy.  Also, contemporaries where the heroine is a virgin and has never even attempted to have an orgasm on her own seem unbelievable to me.

ETA: I  recently read a paranormal with a virgin hero that I thought was well done and a nice change



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Date Posted: 6/3/2009 10:43 PM ET
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I like virgional heroines. I like heroines with experience. I like virgional heroes and ones that should have STDs they get around so much... lol

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 12:34 AM ET
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I like virginal heros.  Not too many around.  What one was that, Karen?

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 7:09 AM ET
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I like virginal heros.  Not too many around.  What one was that, Karen?

Demon Angel by Meljean Brook- I really liked it but fair warning, if you haven't read it, the worldbuilding can be a little dense as it's the first in the series

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 8:20 AM ET
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I can take em or leave em but I'd rather leave em unless there's a good reason for her to be a virgin.  I started reading one book last week and had to put it down because the hero was a 27 yr old virgin!  The hero!   Sorry - no can do.

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 10:17 AM ET
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I had a hard time with the 1st Lynn Kurland book I read.  I mean a 28yr old virgin was just too unbelievable in a contemporary.  I've only ocme across a few contemporaries where the heroine is a virgin.  Diana Palmers is fond of the 25yr old virgin who is saving herself for the hero who has no interest in her.  The only book I ever read where the hero was a virgin it was believable. I can't remember the name of it but it was by Yvonne Jocks. It was a historical and the hero was only 19 or 20  and lived in an area where there were no loose woman or brothels.  It was like a small farming community.   The heroine was his school sweetheart but her father disapproved. So it was believable in that one.

I started another book Awaiting the Fire (can't remember the author) and the hero in that one was like this immortal wizard or shifter or something. I found it hard to believe that he was a virgin and I didn't finish the book. 

As for non-virgin heroines lets see if I can remember some.  I might not remember the authors names.

Stealing Sophie-heroine wasn't a virgin in that one-this is a Scottish historical.

The Devlish Pleasures of a Duke by Jillian Hunter-heroines is not a virgin in that one.

The heroine in Keegan's Lady by Catherine Anderson is not a virgin. 

Highland Outlaw  by Monica McCarty (non-widow/non-virgin heroine)

oh and Ride the Fire by Pamela Clare (widow)

Also a book called The Tender Stranger-can't remember the author (widow)

Several of Susan Johnson's heroine's are not virgins. She likes to use widows or cheating spouses in several of her historicals. 

The heroine of Passion by Lisa Valdez is not a virgin.

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/4/2009 11:07 AM ET
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If you're looking for virgin hero books here are a few I've read:

No Man's Mistress by Mary Balogh

Forbidden by Jo Beverley

Untouched by Anna Campbell

My Forever Love by Marsha Canham

The Marriage Bed by Claudia Dain

Outlander by Diana Gabaldon

Wild at Heart by Patricia Gaffney

The Outlaw and the Lady by Lorraine Heath

The Shadow and the Star by Laura Kinsale

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of right now:P


 

 

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 12:47 PM ET
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I just remember reading two books (Dark Needs at Night's Edge by Kresley Cole and Untouched by Anna Campbell) with virgin heroes and they were both believableto me.

 

I agree with people that said that when is historical and the heroines are virgins then its believable even if they are old, like 27 year old but when its contemporaries romance then I have to roll my eyes because I mean come on, I have hard time believing in this century any women can stay virgins for that long. I mean I’m 21 years old and I honestly can say that I don’t know any virgin aournd my age..LOL

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 12:57 PM ET
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I actually find an older virgin very believable. I have a friend who is now about 49 and still a virgin. She had opportunities but choose to remain a virgin.

Not all women have to jump in the sack like I did :)

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 1:21 PM ET
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I think I would be very depressed if I were 49 and still a virgin.  (no offense to your friend it's just that sex is just so much fun). 

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 1:37 PM ET
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It is interesting that all the virgins I know are over 50 now.  Not me, alas........ but I know 6 of them.  

the Hero in Return of the Duke and the Herione are both virgins.  Also, Kiss me Annabel in the Essex Sisters series, both the H & H are virgins.. 

I kinda like it when the madly in love, experienced  hero is tenderly intoducing his lady love to sex for the first time.  

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 1:44 PM ET
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I like my hero's experienced as well although I did like Kiss Me Annabel. I had forgotten about that one.

Date Posted: 6/4/2009 2:11 PM ET
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I don't like the unplausable virginal heroines. Like the mid-twenties, college graduate, living in NYC, not religious, had past relationships, but still a virgin? I can suspend belief for fiction, but only so far :P

Date Posted: 6/5/2009 8:28 AM ET
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I don't want a virginal hero. I want them with some experience.

I haven't read any recent contemporaries with virgin heroines. In fact, I was shocked to see so many story lines where the heroine accidentally got pregnant, is an unwed mother who secretly had the hero's baby years before. Never told him, and he's back to reclaim her heart. He find's out for the first time that he has a kid 6 years old.

I couldn't believe how many of the free Harlequin eBooks offered now have stories of accidental pregnancies. And the heroines weren't virgins when they got pregnant either.

Date Posted: 6/5/2009 12:08 PM ET
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Probably because so many women in real life accidentally get pregnant despite the miriad of easily obtained birth control options. 

Date Posted: 6/5/2009 12:32 PM ET
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I will admit that I am somewhat scandalized by this story line also, Eve.  I find it really annoying and unbelievable  that a woman can get so carried away by the moment that she forgets that pregnancy is going to be her cross to bear not Mr. Wonderful's.  I certainly would appreciate the story including that the women in question KNEW that they were taking a chance.  That would be so much more interesting to me.  Not shock at the unexpected pregnancy. 

 

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 5:28 PM ET
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Personally speaking, I prefer the virginal heroine. Obviously in cases where the characters have been married before or were engaged, etc, it would be understandable that they wouldn't be. However, I was raised to think twice about casual sex, so I'm probably more conservative in my thinking than most people around me.

 

I understand that in the 21st century, more people are wanting to experiment and enjoy what life has to offer. This is why I appreciate books with more virginal heroines. I'm always interested to see how the character is portrayed, and as people have mentioned, whether they do a believeable job of keeping them virgins.

 

And I must say, I read a lot of contemporaries, and I'd say non-virginal characters are more frequent than actual virgins. Maybe it's the type of books I'm picking up, but I'm noticing it a lot more. Even with heroines that supposedly have loved the hero for years and years reveal that they slept with at least one person before ending up with the hero.

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 5:58 PM ET
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I think virginal heroines are fine, especially in historicals. What bugs me is treatment of the virginal heroine matched with the super-experienced rake as if this is some kind of ideal for both of them.

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 10:23 PM ET
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If you want to read a good contemporary try Duncan's Bride by Linda Howard.  A keeper for me. 

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