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Subject: torn cover?
Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:06 PM ET
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Hi everyone!  I have a question. I just received a wishlisted book with a torn cover.  It is all there and taped on with scotch tape.  The book is perfectly readable.  This is my question.  Was this postable? I ask because this book is part of a series that is not "keeper" for me.  So, although I don't care that the cover is ripped and taped (since the book is readable)  I DO/ DID intend to repost the book when I was done.  If I can't repost it then I need to mark this book damaged by sender when I mark it received so I can try to recover the credit now. 

THANKS!

Diane

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:15 PM ET
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Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY
Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:22 PM ET
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Hi Melanie,  thanks.  This is a 2-3 inch rip (about half the length of a mmpb).  I am struggling with this cuz by the rules I saw and you copied for me, this would have been unpostable.  I have no problem with it. It is a wishlisted book and readable and taped.  But want to be able to send it along when I am done!  and I can't. UGH.  Hate to make a fuss over it though.  oh well.

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:32 PM ET
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What is the name of the book, Diane?  You could post it in the bazaar as nonpostable.

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:41 PM ET
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Hi Tink!  It's "She's No Faerie Princess" (Christine Warren) (The Others Book 2) 31 wishers.  I will probably just mark it received and fine and then pm her reminding her of the posting conditions here. *shrug*

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 4:43 PM ET
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My vote is that you should mark it RWAP and PM the sender with a copy & paste of the book guidelines.

Whether you intended to repost it or save it as a "keeper" is irrelevant to me.  You were sent a book that did not meet PBS guidelines, therefore a credit should be returned to you. 

Jonnie is right, you could post it in the Book Bazaar as an unpostable, but I have strong opinions against allowing members to send unpostable books because the book can be offfered in the BB.

Ultimately, the choice is yours, but I hope you won't feel guilty about expecting the (few) rules of PBS to be followed.

 

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 5:05 PM ET
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I appreciate everyone's feedback.  Thank you Melissa.   I have marked books RWAP before because they were pretty much unreadable (I had one that had pages missing!!! Another was BADLY stained and pages stuck together!)  Though I do want to add that the VAST majority of books I have gotten from PBS have been great.  But anyway.  I never felt guilty about marking books damaged before, but this one just bugs me cuz the book is perfectly readable, i mean the flaw is just a torn cover but the STORY is fine.  So I feel guilty.  But it IS unpostable by PBS guidelines so, in that sense you are right.  I am really careful to follow posting guidelines and have had to give away books in just as good shape as this one because they didn't meet the guidelines exactly.  (lol, I had a perfect and UNREAD copy of Twilight I had to give away cuz my cat put her teeth marks in the cover).  That was painful! 

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 6:52 PM ET
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but this one just bugs me cuz the book is perfectly readable, i mean the flaw is just a torn cover but the STORY is fine

This opinion is why too many unpostables get into the system. Don't feel guilty, but please mark anything like this as a RWAP because it is. You don't have to make a big fuss or ask for your credit back. I've gotten a few of my keeper books this way, unpostable, but still suit my purposes. What I do on those is PM them and explain why I marked it that way, explain that I am fine with the book as is so I am not asking for my credit back. Then I wait a day to see how they respond before I mark it as resolved. I've they are polite about it or don't respond at all, I mark it as resolved. If I ever got a nasty person I probably wouldn't mark it as resolved.

If you really want to respost it and cannot afford to eat the credit then please ask for your credit back. You do not have to feel guilty just because you don't want to pay for someone else's mistakes. It is their error, not yours. You can always just walk away from the transaction if it gets nasty, but you really should let them know that tears that big are not allowed to be posted into the system.

Had the poster offered it in the Bazaar and explained the damage, someone may well have taken them up on it, but there the damage would have been clearly explained and the receiver accepting of it.

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 7:08 PM ET
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I get your point Melanie.  I have been struggling with this for WAY too long (too much time on my hands today!) and finally just marked it RWAP. I wrote her a message and in it I pasted the relevant  criteria that you had cut and paste in here in your first post.  I will wait and see what happens.

I guess what finally decided it for me was that I have so many unpostables already, I don't need the hassle of having to store and try to unload one more.  ALSO I am  so careful about what I post.  I look through the book for any damage (especially if I got it from UBS) I may not have noticed, etc... and I have lost out on being able to post lots of books by being careful. It annoyed me, in the end, that such a blatant problem (the tear was not only obvious it was taped) was sent along and became my problem. 

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 7:08 PM ET
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Good question Diane, I have a couple damaged covers also & had been wondering.  Great books, but accidentally cut them while attempting to remove PBS wrapper with enthusiastic amounts of packing tape.  One has a clean slice less than 1 inch long in the middle of the front cover (pocket knife). 

Also, with the information this week regarding ARC's and unpostables...it's possible you may be allowed to ask for a credit it the swap is arranged through forums instead of FIFO?

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 7:16 PM ET
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Thanks,  Denise.  I had been following the threads regarding this as well, since I had other unpostables before this one.   Has someone started a thread where people can post unpostables for credit to those who don't mind the flaw?  I wonder if these books are moving? 

LOL I have done that myself!  Sliced books while trying to cut through what seems to be an entire ROLL of packing tape!  And those books, that I have surgically sliced up (!) are also sitting in an ever growing pile of unpostables in my teeny tiny apartment. 

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 7:31 PM ET
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It is a wishlisted book

For me everyone saying this gets to be a problem.  It doesn't MATTER if it's wishlisted or not.  An unpostable book is unpostable - it has nothing to do with someone wishing for it.

I'm not picking on you Diane, I just keep seeing people say that on here when it has no bearing on if a book is postable or not.

Sorry - rant over!

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 8:01 PM ET
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what seems to be an entire ROLL of packing tape

I'm unwrapping one of those right now! lol.  I like a lot of tape, too, but this is probably one of the most taped ones I have ever gotten.  It got here in good shape, though! ;-)

 I wonder if these books are moving?

I don't believe one has been started for damaged books, but there is an ongoing thread for ARCs and Amanda has updated the guidelines to include the news about being able to request a credit for an ARC.  Of course, like all BB deals it is just between you and the other member to hash out. 

Here is the link for the ARC thread:  List Your ARC's here (Guidelines and Updated list on Page 1)

Date Posted: 4/4/2009 8:33 PM ET
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Thanks for the link Beth!