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Subject: I'm torn....
Date Posted: 4/29/2008 8:41 PM ET
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Okay, I recieved a book in the mail today. The thing about it is, that it's a ARC copy. I don't mind those, but, I also have a condition of a non smoking  and it reeks of smoke. I'm too nice, because I feel bad about reporting it. But, should I anyway? Also, do I mark recieved with a problem?

Thanks in advance!!

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 8:47 PM ET
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Holly - it's against the rules to post ARC's, and to violate conditions.  The person who sent you the book likely knows that s/he did both.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 8:50 PM ET
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Please mark it RWAP- otherwise they'll do it again (not making a judgement here about whether it was knowingly done or someone knew who didn't know better.) 

Sara

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 9:46 PM ET
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RWAP is really the kindest thing to do in the long run. If we keep marking books and even non-books as received, then the poster gets permission to keep skipping over rules, or keep skipping reading the rules and then the next member gets the notion it is ok, let me repost it and then post some of these magazines while I am at it, then new member comes along, sees the magazine, orders it and then posts their kids comic books, and a calendar from 2003, and then there is a need for a suspicious items thread and, well...you get the idea. Better to stop it while there is a chance.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:10 PM ET
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PLEASE mark is RWAP, even if you don't ask for your credit back. The majority of us don't want rule breakers to get away with it under any circumstances, and if you mark it RWAP, that helps prevent them from too many future offenses.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:20 PM ET
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You definitely mark it RWAP since it's unpostable.  You can't repost it to recoup your credit so I'd be asking for that back.  ARCs aren't allowed.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:37 PM ET
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I'm sorry for sounding like such a n00b, but what is ARC?  I don't want to make a mistake in the future if I come across something that is an ARC.



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Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:42 PM ET
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ARC is an advanced reader copy- they are sent out ahead of the final version and sometimes they are different than the final version.  Usually the binding is different but often content too.  They're not postable.  Usually they say it on the spine or sometimes the inside.  I see these most often at Friends of the Library sales for some reason. 

Don't apologize for asking- that's how people learn!

Sara

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:44 PM ET
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Thanks a bunch, Sara. :-D

 

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:46 PM ET
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ARCs are Advance Reader Copies. They are not permitted here because they are not the final book. They can be uncorrected proofs even. Publishers release them early, for reviewers, either professionals or volunteers to read and give feedback. You can often get them by signing up with the publisher's site and requesting to be put on a list for some or all they offer. Some are quite close to the final book, but since they are not postable here at PBS, I trade my with friends or offer them free in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:49 PM ET
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ARCs usually say right across the front of them that they're an ARC/uncorrected proof.

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:49 PM ET
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Okay, I  RWAP and I did ask for my credit back. I'm just too nice and I feel bad about it, since they did pay to ship it and everything, but I would hate for it to happen to someone else. Thanks for the input!

 

 

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 10:49 PM ET
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Thanks, Cheryl.  :-)

Between you and Sara, I know what to watch out for and make sure I don't upload something like this should one fall into my hands.  I appreciate you both explaining it to all of us.

Subject: I hadn't heard of ARC's until I started here
Date Posted: 4/29/2008 11:13 PM ET
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Since then I have seen them at used bookstores and Bookcrossing zones. One big clue is that the "ISBN" "should" come up as Hardcover, and almost all ARC's are Paperback. However, I did actually run across a hardcover ARC recently, and own a paperback one of a book that was never in hardcover in the first place.

Date Posted: 4/30/2008 5:41 AM ET
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Okay, another question. lol. I'm full of them today. The person said they would give me a credit back, if I mail the book back. Is that how it works?

Date Posted: 4/30/2008 6:59 AM ET
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Well, they really should be giving you 2 credits then.  One because you used a credit to receive this book and another to reimburse you for having to send the book back.

Date Posted: 4/30/2008 10:14 AM ET
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From the HC:

  • Remember that the requestor is not required to send the book back at his or her expense.   The sender of a problem book does risk losing credit, book and postage; this is the incentive NOT to send problem books.
  • ks.

    What is a problem swap?

    There are four types of problem options that a requestor can choose from when marking a book received:

    • Wrong Book

      • This means the book did not match the listed item in one or more of the four necessary aspects--ISBN, Author, Title, Booktype (ie, paperback, hardcover, audio) OR that the book was an inappropriate item (such as an ARC) and should not have been Posted for swapping at PBS
    • Requestor Conditions Violation
      • This means the book did not meet the conditions specified in the requestor's Requestor Conditions that appeared on the request at the time it was accepted

    A requestor does NOT have to return the item in a "problem" transaction

      • if the sender wants the item back, he or she should send postage or a credit to pay for its return.