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Subject: trade paperback? mass market paperback?
Date Posted: 1/29/2009 1:10 PM ET
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I don't understand the difference between trade paperback, mass market paperback and just paperback. To me, it's either a hardback or a paperback, even if it's a larger paperback. Can somebody please explain this to me?

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 1:17 PM ET
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Mass Market Paperback is what most of us think of as being a paperback book (my grandfather called the dime store books). They are about 5 inches x 8 inches x how ever many pages. The pages are of the pulp/newspaper type. They cost about $8.

A Trade Cover is essentially a hardback sized book (or sometimes a little larger) with a paperback cover (which makes it a little cheaper). Page quality varies but they are better than paperback pages, but sometimes not as good as hardback pages (my grandfather probably never saw one of these, but I've often wondered what he would have called them). They cost about $16 to $20

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 1:17 PM ET
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I don't know the dimensions but I'm sure someone will post them.  Mass-market paperbacks are the smaller paperbacks that are usually sold at grocery stores and stores like Walmart. The tradesize books are the larger ones that are closer to the size of a hardback.  Unfortunately there is now way for PBS to make the distinction as publishers sometimes reuse IBSN.  Many books start out as a trade size and then get reissued in MMP form.  MMPs are usually 7.99 or less and tradesize books are usually over $10.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 1:20 PM ET
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A trade paperback is usually about the size of a hardback. Not always, but usually. Sold new the price is usually around $12-14 or about half the price of a hardback.

A mass-market paperback is the small size that most people think of -- fits in your purse or pocket. Usually sells new for about $7-8 +/-

The system at PBS can say either paperback, trade paperback, or mass-market paperback. If it says "only"  paperback -- I believe it can be either size.  If the description says specifically one or the other, then I believe the format has to match (for instance when posting a book) the book being sent or requested.  That's part of what it means when it says the binding has to match.  You can't post a hardback if the description says paperback, and you can't post a MMPB if the description says trade paperback.  and the other way around, of course.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 2:00 PM ET
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AAhh! Thanks y'all. I've been educated. Now I better check my bookshelf and make sure I haven't accidentally posted something as the wrong kind of paperback. Sheesh!  :)

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 2:17 PM ET
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Glenda, as long as you are posting your books by the correct ISBN, you don't have anything to worry about.  The PBS system does not differentiate between the two formats, other than the fact that they are paperbacks and not hardbacks.  Some trade pbs will have a different ISBN than the regular size, however some share the same ISBN.  As a requester, I consider it my responsibility to request the version that I want- I don't put that on the sender, because as long as they are posting their books correctly by ISBN, they are doing everything right.  If I'm picky enough to want a trade version, then it's my responsibility to figure out how to get it.

That said- it is a common mistake for people to inadvertently post books by the wrong ISBN.  They may type the correct ISBN in, but then they get to the screen that lists alternate versions of the book, and then they click on the one that has the cover that matches their book, not realizing that it is a completely different ISBN and version of the book than the ISBN that they just typed in.  It may even still say "paperback", even though the version they clicked on is trade size instead of the regular size that they have.  As long as you don't make this mistake- and understand that your book cover does NOT need to match the one in the system- you should be ok.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 2:18 PM ET
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Can you post things by trade size and MM paperback now?   Last time I posted a book it was just paperback - and often the MM and the trade size had the same ISBN.    I haven't posted anything in about three months.    I haven't seen any distinction between the two when I've gone to order a paperback.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 2:40 PM ET
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Lesley, Cozi.....there are some books on PBS that differentiate between which type of paperback...Trade or MMPB...and if it is such you can't post the book even if it has the correct ISBN under that listing if it is a Trade and the listing says MMPB...But, the majority of the books are just listed as "paperback"  which is why as a requestor I have an RC with explanation that says I only want Trade size books.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 3:00 PM ET
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PBS doesn't say trade on anything in the book description, though I have noticed people adding that to the titles of books (which I don't really think should be done, but it is passing data edit approval). The system says paperback or mass market paperback.  If it says MMP, then a trade shouldn't be posted to that ISBN, but "paperback" can be any shape or size as long as it is soft covered.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 3:28 PM ET
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What about the new trend towards what I call "oversized paperbacks"?  These are just like a regular paperback, but taller.  Do they have an "official" name yet?  Generally, I try to avoid them because they won't fit on my paperback shelves.  To get maximun usage out of my bookcases (and with a personal library numbering in the thousands) I've got my paperback shelves spaced at about a quarter inch higher than a "normal" paperback.  These new sized ones are just a PITA for me.

 

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 3:35 PM ET
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Denise, trade paperbacks are actually ALWAYS the same size as the hardcover--that's part of the definition.

As long as you post by ISBN, your nooks should show up properly--trade pbks and mass market pbks usually have different ISBNs.

Date Posted: 1/29/2009 7:29 PM ET
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Thanks for the explanations.   I knew what each was, but had not run across any on PBS that actually said trade size - I haven't ordered a lot of books lately.  Thanks again - someone on here always knows the answers!

Date Posted: 2/1/2009 11:38 PM ET
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I'm glad I stumbled onto this thread.  I actually dislike the Trade sized books because they don't line up on my bookshelves with the other "regular" sized paperbacks.  I hope that this fad will go away soon :-(

What are others' preferences ? 

Date Posted: 2/1/2009 11:42 PM ET
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actually i think Trade PBs are here to stay. i much prefer these as most of the book I read only come in Trade PBs.

Date Posted: 2/1/2009 11:43 PM ET
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It really doesn't matter to me.   I'm not getting books to look good, I'm getting them to read and pass on.   Hardback, Trade sized, MM as long as the words are the same, send em and I'll read em.

Date Posted: 2/2/2009 12:20 AM ET
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Whether a book comes out in trade paper verses mass market depends on the type of book.  Genre books like mystery, thriller, horror, sci fi and romance tend to come out in hardcover and then 6 months to a year later a mass market paperback.   General fiction books that do not have a sub genre come out in hardcover and then 6 months to a year later in trade paper back. 

If a book is extremely popular, or in an in between genre like chick lit, it will often come out in mass market after it comes out in trade like Confessions of a Shopaholic.  Books that are being made into movies will often be made into mass markets because they can release a new movie tie in cover and they are cheap to produce. 

Bookstores buy books from the publisher and if a book goes unsold for a period of time they can return the book to the publisher for the price or close to the price they paid for it.  Mass market books cannot be returned.  Instead book stores strip the front cover - which also has the isbn on inside - and return the strips to the publisher and receive a partial refund for unsold books.  This is most likely a reason PBS doesn't allow books without a front cover.   In some cases bookstores allow employees to keep "strips" but most are required to destroy and taking them is considered stealing.