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Subject: Trading ARC's?
Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:22 AM ET
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I have two ARC's of very good current fiction that were sent to me here (I did get my credits back) and what I would like to do, when i get them read, is to just swap them for someone else's ARC. No credits involved, no having to order a book off anyone's shelf. Is that possible?

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:26 AM ET
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Well, according to TPTB you can trade ARCs for credits. You just can't post them into the system, you have to do that in the book bazaar. http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=159114  to thread where this is addressed. Just throwing that out there in case you can't do what you want to with the ARCs.

As far as trading an ARC for an ARC, I'm not sure how you would do that. Maybe post in the book bazaar and see if anyone is interested?



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:28 AM ET
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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:44 AM ET
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ARCs cannot be swapped for credits....per the help center

ARCs cannot be swapped on PBS, since the ARC cannot be depended upon to contain the same story/text as the published book.

According to the last PBS Newswire:

ARCs and other unpostables can be swapped in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum or offered as "freebie incentives" to request books from a bookshelf.

An ARC is an unpostable and cannot be swapped for a credit but, as to the OP I would think swapping them for other unpostables would be allowed.

I went to the link offered and I would have to see an Official statement from TPTB (from Richard himself).  I do not interpret the statement the same as whomever responded to the question.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:53 AM ET
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Christy, read the link I provided. ARCs and unpostables can be offered for credit in the book bazaar. They can't be posted into the system, but asking for credits for unpostables is NOT against the rules.

Sure, we don't mind if people ask for credits for unpostables.  If someone wants to pay credits for unpostables, then they are doing it knowing they are getting an unpostable book.  Selling anything other than books, or selling for anything other than credits, or asking or offering more than PBS price for a postable book - those things are not permitted.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:59 AM ET
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Janelle, read my response above...Unless it is a response from Richard I don't really feel that it is "official".  But, according to whomever responded for TPTB no one should ever have a RWAP again...and will never have a credit returned because the sender can respond, just post it in the bazaar because you can get your credit there.

If this is going to be their stance then they need to rewrite the Help Center....because if you note...the Help Center states that ARCs are not to be swapped on PBS....



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:19 AM ET
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The one thing I do agree with you on Christy, is that it does need to be publicly stated.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:31 AM ET
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I have only read half the threads about posting ARCs.

IMO, some of the confusion is the difference between swapping and posting an ARC for a credit.

The help docs clearly state that ARCs cannot be posted on your bookshelf.

But, IMO, advertising in the Book Bazaar that I have an ARC and will part with it for a credit is a different situation (just like offering it free w/any order.)

My understanding is that ARCs cannot be posted on your bookshelf because they cannot be depended upon to contain the same story/text as the published book. I would be disappointed if I ordered through FIFO what I believed to be a completed book, but got an ARC.  But, if I knowingly traded a credit for an ARC, that would be a different story.

 

 

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:37 AM ET
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Melissa, you're right.

I just rcvd feedback from TPTB:

I asked for further clariification on if it was true and not against the rules to ask for a credit for an unpostable on the Book Bazaar. Mainly for my own benefit.

Dear Janelle,

Right.  As long as you describe the item properly and it is clear to the requestor that the item MUST NOT be posted to a bookshelf that is fine.

Have a great day!

The PaperBackSwap Team



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:41 AM ET
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But, according to whomever responded for TPTB no one should ever have a RWAP again...and will never have a credit returned because the sender can respond, just post it in the bazaar because you can get your credit there.

I don't get why people keep extrapolating to this far away from the statement that was made in the newswire and what the PBS team stated in the email.  They clearly state in the newswire and in the email that the unpostables can only be posted in the BB where the person requesting the book can see what they are getting and CANNOT be posted to the system. That seems beyond clear to me that anything that is posted into the system would still be a RWAP.

I have never really liked that people who RWAP say "I cannot repost it so please give my credit back."  A RWAP needs to be postable at the time it leaves the senders hands, period, it doesn't have anything to do with reposting it to get the credit back. Doesn't matter what the receiver wants to do with it. All a RWAP says is the book unpostable per PBS guidelines therefore you need to return my credit.

As for official, the email isn't where I see them saying it is allowed, that just clarifies what the newswire said. The newswire, an official release from the site, is what says that they ...can be swapped in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum or offered as "freebie incentives....

I have gotten completely wrong answers in emails that contradicted what the Help Center clearly states and seen Tour Guides make absolutely wrong statements. If I had not read it in the newswire first I would be hesitant to agree. But a statement in a membership-wide release seems pretty official to me.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:44 AM ET
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Good post, Melanie. Also, I was looking through the help center and the book bazaar rules, and unless I missed something, it is not stated anywhere that unpostables cannot be offered in the book bazaar in exchange for a credit. Just that they cannot be POSTED into the system.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:50 AM ET
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Getting back to the OP's original question, this is from the Help Center:

 

Can we swap books for books directly with other members on this site?

Yes, but only if you both subscribe to Box-O-Books.

  • "Creditless" swaps are permitted ONLY between two Boxers.
  • Using the PBS site to conduct an under-the-table book-for-book swap without using credits would be in direct violation of PBS policy, and would put both members' PBS accounts in jeopardy.

Why is this?

  • We have worked very hard on this site, and it has cost us (and continues to cost us) a great deal of money. The Box-O-Books service is one of the few sources of income the site has generated to offset our financial losses, and we are still deeply in the red. Without some financial support we will not be able to continue the club. We are trying to keep the site free for our members, and Box-O-Books was one innovation intended to help us do so.
  • PBS relies greatly on the "honor" system among our members. We are pleased to say that the majority of PBSers are honest and above-board; if that were not so, the club could not continue.
  • We hope that the rule makes sense to you, and that you understand that we are not being unfair or greedy. It is simply that if enough members did this, we would have to close down the club

 

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:29 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 1:29 PM ET
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Rebecca,

I'm a boxer--sent you a PM about swapping your ARC for one of mine.

 

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 2:56 PM ET
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WOW, I don't feel so dumb after all. My thought, personally, is that I would rather just swap one unpostable for another unpostable. Having to order a book to get an unpostable , JUST FOR ME, is not something I want to do. PLEASE don't get upset with that statement. I just wanted to be able to swap unpostables without getting in any trouble, and I am a boxer. Thanks so much for the great discussion and sounds like a little clarification to the help docs might be in order.

Rebecca

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 3:07 PM ET
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UUUMMM... so does this mean I can post my garage sale "items" for credits?   LOL!!  j/k

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 5:01 PM ET
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The Newswire and the Help Center (both Official of the site) contradict each other.......

Newswire:  "ARCs and other unpostables can be swapped in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum or offered as "freebie incentives" to request books from a bookshelf.  So they can still be exchanged here; it is just that they must not be posted to PBS Bookshelves."

 

Help Center:  "ARCs cannot be swapped on PBS, since the ARC cannot be depended upon to contain the same story/text as the published book."

 

I guess there needs to be a bit of clarification officially...

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 6:18 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 7:14 PM ET
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They are going to post some guideline updates in the Book Bazaar regarding the change in being able to offer unpostables (including ARCs) in the Bazaar and request a credit.