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Subject: Underlining in Introduction
Date Posted: 3/26/2010 7:40 PM ET
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Received a wonderful copy of a book today except that it is underlined in several places in the introduction.  I am thrilled to get the book because it wasn't a book I really ever expected to get here and it's in basically new condition (except, obviously, someone had at least read through the introduction).  I don't intend to mark this RWAP because of the underlining, but on the chance that I want to post it in the future, I am curious what the consensus would be about whether this book is unpostable because of the underlining --  or would it be technically postable because the underlining is in the introduction?  Is the introduction considered the "text"?

Normally, I'm a stickler for marking books that don't meet book condition guidelines as RWAP, but I am choosing to make an exception because I want this book.   So my question doesn't have to do with what I should do about this now, but rather whether I should consider this unpostable in the future.  I'm personally a bit divided, but I'm afraid my indecision is based more on my pleasure at getting the book than an impartial view of what really makes books postable or not.

Thanks for any input.



Last Edited on: 3/26/10 7:48 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/26/2010 8:03 PM ET
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IMO, It sounds like this may fall under the grey area of a "textbook" where the correct thing to do would be to PM the person to let them know about the underlining and see if they still want the book.

In the future, I would mark it RWAP, but not ask for a credit back that way they know that it is not acceptable they way they did it.

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 8:04 PM ET
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Is the introduction considered the "text"?

I'd say yes, because it's an integral part of the book that enhances your understanding of it. So, technically, I'd consider the book with underlining and writing in the introduction to be unpostable. That said, I understand your reasoning in not marking the book RWAP. I mean, you're happy to have the book and wouldn't have asked for a credit back anyway. I'd most likely write something in the comments section about the book's condition when I mark it received. And I wouldn't repost it.

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 9:11 PM ET
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Any underlining/writing has to be approved.  I would also post it and  *make sure* to PM the requestor about the underlining before sending.  Remember, t hough, if they say no then you have to cancel and repost..going to the back of the queue.

Although, maybe you'll like it so much you won't even want to repost it. :-)

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 9:16 PM ET
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I consider a "text" page to be any portion of the book that the author wrote specifically for that book. So, preface, intro, epilogue, author's notes, index, bibliography, etc ... all text pages.

title page, copyright page, book advertising pages, review pages ... nope. (IMO)

PBS has clarified their rules so that pretty much any book is postable with writing as long as you follow the PM rules for getting acceptance before you mail the book.

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 9:19 PM ET
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Newbie quesiton here...what about a book with writing on the inside cover? Is that postable?

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 9:39 PM ET
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Writing on the inside cover is okay.  

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 9:42 PM ET
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Underlining in text is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.  You can say it's a textbook, but would then have to get the requester's agreement to that condition before you mail it.  In the case of an ordinary book underlining makes it unpostable.

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/26/2010 10:03 PM ET
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Ruth,

PBS has written new rules about this because really, any book could have been used as a textbook. Even novels.

So, as long as you are PM'd first, and give your acceptance of the book with writing, any book with writing can be posted. (I have boiled down the rules to the essential idea).

PB is counting on the fact that many people will not accept a novel with writing in it (for example)... so the sender who is trying to mail it out will get tired of PMing about it and will give up and stop trying to post it anymore.

I have not personally noticed any increase in books with writing or PMs about writing since the rules changed.

Date Posted: 3/27/2010 11:19 AM ET
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PBS has clarified their rules so that pretty much any book is postable with writing as long as you follow the PM rules for getting acceptance before you mail the book.

I was not aware that there had been a rule change on this.  Can you point me to the to the new ruling in the Help Documents?

Date Posted: 3/27/2010 12:12 PM ET
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What is the definition of a textbook?

Actually, the way the system and rules are designed, it does not matter what the "objective definition" of a textbook is.  The club members decide this - as long as the rules in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS are followed.  See the explanation and examples below.

If a member considers her book a textbook she may Post it with underlining/highlighting/writing on text pages, according to the "textbook exception" in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS; BUT since the textbook exception in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS require her to contact the requestor and obtain PM consent to the book's condition, she won't be in the position of sending a "stealth textbook" to someone who doesn't expect to receive one.

Examples/further explanation:

  • Member A posts an Economics 101 textbook - something that most people would clearly consider a textbook.   
  • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
  • Chances are good that she will get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc. 
  • Member B posts a novel (fiction) that she used in a class - something that most people would NOT consider a textbook.
    • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
    • Chances are good that she will NOT get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc.
    • If the requestor declines the book in its condition, Member B will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  It will go to the 'back of the line' for requests.  (If it is a Wish Listed book, it will be offered to the same wisher and the sender will again have to cancel.  She will have to wait for the wishing member to get a copy of this book from someone else before Member B can post her copy again.)

So, the farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  Members in Member B's situation may encounter several declines, and will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition.  Member B will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook"  and will consider it instead an unpostable/damaged book.

In this way, the club defines "textbook" on a case-by-case basis, and no one who is following the rules will be able to "surprise" another person with a highlighted/written-in/underlined book.