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Subject: Would this be unpostable?
Date Posted: 1/11/2010 8:30 AM ET
Member Since: 11/15/2009
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I know it seems petty (to me at least) but i know there are some stricter RC's so i have a book that i recieved from here and my dog got a hold of it....now before we get antsy she didn't do any real damange. there are no teeth marks or slobber marks the only thing she got to before i scolded her was the very inside page. It is the page that just has quotes from people saying how wonderful the author and book is.  IMO it doesn't effect the book whatsoever, if i completely remove the torn page, one would not even realize it had been there.  So would this be considered postable?

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 11:09 AM ET
Member Since: 3/1/2009
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If you go by the rules then No it would not be postable. It says no torn pages.  If I was in that position I'd throw the book in my going to the used book store for credit pile.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 11:21 AM ET
Member Since: 8/9/2007
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You know, we've been back & forth - up & down on the question of whether that page is technically a "text page" or not, and I've never seen a clear, 100% consensus on it, much less a clarification from the PBS team.  Some say text pages are book text only and the reviews & blurbs aren't what the guidelines refer to, and some say that any text (reviews, teasers, publisher information) is what they mean with "No loose or missing text pages".  It's possible to remove a page like that and not leave any signs of it having been there, but it's still at greater risk of being marked RWAP than if it was completely intact & undamaged.  If it's rare or on WL in the system, I'd offer it for a credit in the BB, or the appropriate genre related forum.  Otherwise, I'd do as Christi suggests, maybe remove the page, and swap it in at my local UBS.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 12:56 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
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Remove the page neatly and post the book. Those pages are not text pages, IMO.

Yes, there is not 100% consensus on that, but I think the majority comes in at "not a text page".

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 3:38 PM ET
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I asked this once before myself, and it seems to me like the most frequent answer that I got was the old "grey area",  "I wouldn't RWAP one, but I'd be hesitant to send it" thing.  Which is basically me too.  I wouldn't give it a second thought if I got one that way - might not even notice it - but I wouldn't feel 100% comfortable with sending it to someone who wasn't aware of it being that way.  I *think* mine was a WL book, and I posted it in the WL thread in the L&R forum, and somebody snapped it up pretty fast.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 4:13 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
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I am not hesitant to send out gray area books. :)

For me it is more about how "rare" the book is in the system. If its a Nora Roberts or something like that, then I wouldn't bother with it. If it is Wish Listed or not in the system until I post it, then I feel just fine sending it out with a "gray area" problem.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 4:29 PM ET
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I'm sure you're right too, Sara.  You've always seemed to be a concientious member to me, so I think the way you do it is probably fine too.  This is one of those funky things that's hard to advise someone on.  I think if the page comes out clean & the book looks good, Amanda can probably post it and not have any problems from it.  Grey area is almost always subjective & depends on what the receiver has to say about it.  If it did get marked RWAP that would be a whole other discussion:P

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 4:56 PM ET
Member Since: 5/18/2007
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I won't send out gray area books. I think it gets too subjective at that point. I know I've gotten some gray area books and by the same token, I do not mark them RWAP.

I ran into this problem recently in a virtual box in the games section. I put a book into the "box" and the first page (nothing but the title) got scrunch some how and a tear a little less than an inch. That page isn't considered a text page, in fact, it was totally an extra page since most books don't even have this page. After it was selected and I noticed the problem I ordered her a new one anyhow since it was a wishlist book. 

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 4:57 PM ET
Member Since: 6/25/2009
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My general feeling about gray area books is to list the book but always PM the requestor and wait for a reply before sending it (unless is a commonly listed book, then don't bother).   There are many times I would be happy to receive a gray area book or a book that breaks the rules -- as long as I'm asked first, usually its a difficult to find or expensive book and I'll take what I can get.  

On the other hand, if someone doesn't PM me first I may get literal in my interpretaiton of the rules.  I like it to be my choice.  

Having said all that, right now I'm frustrated at the people that do not respond to my PMs.    I don't think people that check their email only about once or twice a week should be using this system. 

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 5:12 PM ET
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Having said all that, right now I'm frustrated at the people that do not respond to my PMs.    I don't think people that check their email only about once or twice a week should be using this system.

That's the one big drawback to sending a PM explaining the condition in advance; people sometimes seem to order a book & then disappear, or it's on their WL on AR, and they don't log in frequently or are on vacation.  Then you're stuck twiddling your thumbs with an even more complicated dilemma.  Do I send it?  Do I cancel?  I've done that once & just can't see doing it again.  If you send it, there's always the chance that they'll see your PM after you've mailed the book, get the book, and THEN decide to RWAP.  Argh...  Not worth it, IMO.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 5:21 PM ET
Member Since: 6/25/2009
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I agree, it gets complicated.   I cancel the transaction if they don't reply in time for me to ship the book, and so I have had to cancel several transactions because of it.  Then I have to relist the book.  So, its not worth doing if lots of other people have the book listed (since my relist will go back to the bottom of the pile).  But then, if lots of other people have the book listed, they aren't going to want my gray area book (well, actually they will probably wish they did get it if the books they have been getting look like the books I have been getting lately, sigh).  

Date Posted: 1/12/2010 1:24 AM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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If you decide to pm, set a date to respond by (at least 48 hours) and mention that if you haven't heard back you will assume yes (or no, whichever).