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Subject: No more used books? Or clothes? Or anything?
Date Posted: 1/8/2009 5:38 AM ET
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eBay sellers are freaking.
I understand reading boards that at least 1 Amazon seller got a email from Amazon about it.

 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1367599/new_us_safety_regulations_to_eliminate.html?cat=25

I had never even heard of this law?  Has anyone else?

I did a Google search and there's a lot about it, but it seems like no one knew about it and then just....boom.

I feel this is bad.  This is very bad.  Think they will fix it in time?

 

 

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 9:00 AM ET
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I heard it is to come into effect Feb 2009.   I am not sure about the fine details - was just told no more used books that are printed for children 12 and under.  I'm not thrilled about this.  If there is enough lead in children books to cause any problems with children - my girls would have been poisoned long ago!



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Date Posted: 1/8/2009 12:00 PM ET
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See I was fixing to post a question about this same thing. I received an email through a homeschool group I'm a member of that this was the case and that children's books would be prohibited from being sold or even given away unless they met the new lead code and what not. I mean don't get me wrong, I want all the kids to be safe from lead very much so, but what i think prohibiting the older books, clothes and all is going too far.

I've sent an email to a lady that I was given an address for and asked if this was true or not and even pasted the email for her to read that I received this morning. So we'll see what she says. **and wouldn't you know it, I just got the email returned to me by the mailer demon that says it was not deliverable**

 



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Subject: Post about children's books and what to do about it!
Date Posted: 1/8/2009 12:32 PM ET
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Effective February 10, 2009, in the United States, the sale of
all children's books (books intended for children ages 12 and
under) is to be PROHIBITED. Every single book printed prior
to the ruling is affected, whether new or used. New books in
production are required to include a "lead-free" certification
and will be the only books that are legal to offer for sale.

What does this mean to the homeschooling family?

Well, for one, curriculum fairs across the country will be
canceled as book vendors scramble to figure out how to comply
with the new ruling. Complete book inventories will have to be
destroyed -- the ruling even prohibits giving away the books!
Local thrift stores will be hard hit -- most will likely have to
close their doors -- yes, even Goodwill and Salvation Army.

Clothing, toys and books -- even CDs and DVDs are included in the
ruling. Thrift stores will no longer be able to accept or process
anything (including clothing) that would be intended for a child.

No more library sales. Libraries will not be permitted to give
away or sell book donations. It is unsure yet, however, how
the libraries' shelves themselves will be impacted (the ruling
doesn't explicitly mention "loaning" books, just selling or
giving them away). The key word, however, is "distribution" --
libraries may well be required to destroy books from their shelves.

(The ruling that originally passed was about toys, but the EPA has
since made a statement that clothing, books and media are included
in "children's toys".)

Just how serious is this new law?

Amazon.com has already notified all vendors of their need to comply.
No book can be sold at the Amazon site that was printed prior to
compliance. And the "compliance" must be coordinated at the manu-
facturing stage. At the time of this article there is no clause
to be able to grandfather-

in older books or even rare out-of-print
books. It can cost between $500 and $1500 to test a book for lead.

I happen to own a children's bookstore specializing in living books
from the 1950s and '60s. My punishment for selling a book after
February 10th? Up to $100,000 and 5 years in jail. And yes, it is
a felony charge. For selling a SINGLE book.

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So what can you do to help save your local used bookstore that
sells children's books? Or that homeschool curriculum business?
Or your EBay business selling children's items?

ACT NOW before the quickly approaching deadlines:

1) Email or call the CPSIA - the office of the CPSC ombudsman at
888-531-9070.

Comments on Component Parts Testing accepted through January 30,
2009. Or email:
<mailto:Sec102ComponentPartsTesting%40cpsc.gov>

2) Contact your local representatives. For their contact informa-
tion, just enter your zip code.

3) Make your voice heard by voting on this issue! The top 3 in
each category will be presented to President-elect Obama.

4) Sign the petition.
Look for more information coming up.

5) Spread the word! Forward this article. Send an email. Write
about this on your blog. Tell others about this issue and
encourage them to do the same.


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Date Posted: 1/8/2009 1:07 PM ET
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What are the schools going to do about all the text books?  I am sure that there are some that have been there for a number of years.  Is there an ok if printed after date?

Theresa

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 1:48 PM ET
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I cannot believe this is happening!! This is just too ridiculous!  Yes, we need to keep our kids away from lead, but this is too far fetched.

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 1:50 PM ET
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I see the words "sale of" and "offer for sale".    We do not exchange money here at the swap.   Does anyone know if we will have to strip our shelves too?

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 1:58 PM ET
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I honestly think there is no way this will happen as stated.  I mean, that would cause a collaspe of the entire US (and global) economy.  I'm sure there will be changes made, or exemptions (grandfathering).  I think the response to the law is sort of a Chicken Little thing right now.  I'm not going to get all paranoid about it.  It seems a bit like the Y2K hysteria.  Of course this is all JMO!

JC

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 5:31 PM ET
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 It really has a ton to do with the CPSC and they could have made it as bad as many of us feared but the newest update is WONDERFUL and we should not have to worry about used books here at all and people on e-bay can stop freaking out as well about used clothing! :) She the update:

www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html

 

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 5:36 PM ET
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this is what I was just emailed as a statement they'd made....True or not, I have no idea..I hope not and wouldn't put it past it being either true or false cause we actually never know what anyone will do without us knowing until it's too late..JMO.. and this following link I did run through and check, it does actually have books in the wording under some of the Q&A so I don't know...

www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html


Below is today's statement from the CPSC.

 

A bit of good news buried in there... 

 
"Sellers of used children's products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits, phthalates standard or new toy standards."
 
Nevertheless...
 
"resellers cannot sell children's products that exceed the lead limit and therefore should avoid products that are likely to have lead content, unless they have testing or other information to indicate the products being sold have less than the new limit. Those resellers that do sell products in violation of the new limits could face civil and/or criminal penalties."
 
Patti
 


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 8, 2009
Release #09-086

CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

CPSC Clarifies Requirements of New Children's Product Safety Laws
Taking Effect in February
Guidance Intended for Resellers of Children's Products, Thrift and
Consignment Stores

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In February 2009, new requirements of the Consumer
Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) take effect. Manufacturers,
importers and retailers are expected to comply with the new
Congressionally-mandated laws. Beginning February 10, 2009, children's
products cannot be sold if they contain more than 600 parts per
milli on (ppm) total lead. Certain children's products manufactured on
or after February 10, 2009 cannot be sold if they contain more that
0.1% of certain specific phthalates or if they fail to meet new
mandatory standards for toys.

Under the new law, children's products with more than 600 ppm total
lead cannot lawfully be sold in the United States on or after February
10, 2009, even if they were manufactured before that date. The total
lead limit drops to 300 ppm on August 14, 2009.

The new law requires that domestic manufacturers and importers certify
that children's products made after February 10 meet all the new
safety standards and the lead ban. Sellers of used children's
products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not
required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits,
phthalates standard or new toy standards.

The new safety law does not require resellers to test children's
products in inventory for compliance with the lead limit before they
are sold. However, resellers cannot sell children's products that
exceed the lead limit and therefore should avoid products that are
likely to have lead content, unless they have testing or other
information to indicate the products being sold have less than the new
limit. Those resellers that do sell products in violation of the new
limits could face civil and/or criminal penalties.

When the CPSIA was signed into law on August 14, 2008, it became
unlawful to sell recalled products. All resellers should check the
CPSC Web site (www.cpsc.gov) for information on recalled products
before taking into inventory or selling a product. The selling of
recalled products also could carry civil and/or criminal penalties.

The agency intends to focus its enforcement efforts on products of
greatest risk and largest exposure. While CPSC expects every company
to comply full y with the new laws resellers should pay special
attention to certain product categories. Among these are recalled
children's products, particularly cribs and play yards; children's
products that may contain lead, such as children's jewelry and painted
wooden or metal toys; flimsily made toys that are easily breakable
into small parts; toys that lack the required age warnings; and dolls
and stuffed toys that have buttons, eyes, noses or other small parts
that are not securely fastened and could present a choking hazard for
young children.

The agency has underway a number of rulemaking proposals intended to
provide guidance on the new lead limit requirements. Please visit the
CPSC website at www.cpsc.gov for more information.

 



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Date Posted: 1/8/2009 6:29 PM ET
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So in other words, if I am reading Kim's post correctly, then it will be ok for families to have yard/garage sales and to sell things that are kids items?

Theresa

Date Posted: 1/8/2009 6:50 PM ET
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 Theresa, yes, reselling is safe!

We must all be mindful though as if caught selling an item with the lead limit over the allowable amount, we can be charged! How can we tell? If the item is painted, it could be a danger. If the item is Plastic, it could be a danger!

Date Posted: 1/9/2009 10:50 AM ET
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Whew, part of me was freaking out reading that!

We have a basement full of JUNK and most of it is kids stuff. In the past I have sold on Ebay and done well too at times. I even had a store for awhile and did good too.

I've been thinking of reopening it for a few months just to try to sell a few more stuff mainly kids stuff.

So doing Ebay would be RESELLING right?

Also this site would be ok for trading books right?

I'm still a little confused & there is no way I would sell on Ebay unless I was sure the things we sell wouldn't get us arrested.

 

Subject: Here is the response PBS staff sent me.
Date Posted: 1/9/2009 11:05 AM ET
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I hope this helps to reasure you as it has me. PBS staff sent this reply to my questions.

We're glad to tell you that this law will not affect us.  See the press release dated 1/8/2009.  The relevant excerpts follow:
 
"The new law requires that domestic manufacturers and importers certify that children’s products made after February 10 meet all the new safety standards and the lead ban. Sellers of used children’s products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits, phthalates standard or new toy standards.
 
The new safety law does not require resellers to test children’s products in inventory for compliance with the lead limit before they are sold.
 
The agency has underway a number of rulemaking proposals intended to provide guidance on the new lead limit requirements. Please visit the CPSC website at www.cpsc.gov for more information."

Date Posted: 1/9/2009 11:44 AM ET
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That's a relief to finally have some light shed on it all. I watched some about it on the news last night and noticed that they did say basically the same thing as above.

Date Posted: 1/9/2009 3:48 PM ET
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What about collector toys from our and our parents' childhoods? I sell those on ebay from time to time. If they are marketed to collectors, do you think they could still be sold?

This is very disconcerting. I'm just now typing up policies for a consignment sale I'm planning in a couple of months, too.