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Subject: Get Some WL Books Sooner - Know How to Work the System
Date Posted: 7/2/2014 9:27 AM ET
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Well folks, it seems like the 2 ladies in charge of the forum here have come up with a work around to get some wish list books sooner.

They are calling it WL Multiples........

Disguised under the "way for members to save on shipping", members are able to list multiples of WL books in the forum, thus members that know to use the forum to look for something like this (I never got a hints and tip newsletter - did you?).  Seems these ladies have convinced the powers that be that if people can list their wl books that people must order more than one so they can save on shipping.

I guess it's a good concept, but it does away with the fairness of FIFO.  Seems to me a better way would be to do what people are doing now.  If you have a book post it, and then go to the other persons bookshelf and see if they are waiting for any of the other books you have. If you book is a hot book it is probably on their WL anyway.

But here comes a wrinkle.  You cannot post a multiple WL yourself, so say you want an entire series of books that are on the wl, you cannot ask for them.  Seems to me that if posting books together to ship would save postage is worthwhile, why can't someone ask for an entire series to save on postage?

They responded to an email and said that "everyone" can look at the forum and have first crack at the books, but if you don't really know that it is in the forum and that it is an option, it is not fair for everyone - certainly not those of us that thought everything was fifo.........

Comments anyone? They will probably make me take this post down too.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 9:53 AM ET
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Okay, question----why is it necessary to try to list WL books anywhere else?  If you have them on your WL and waiting a turn for it and just not getting it maybe you have friends that are not looking at your list, having a friends list that will use it then that way they can post a book directly to you (I use it all the time and my friends get WL books faster than waiting for someone to post it),

So what's the deal with listing them on the forum when I doubt it is checked very often if you don't know about it-----I didn't know about it.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 10:36 AM ET
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Actually Billie I've always thought that was unfair too, defeating the whole concept of FIFO especially on wishlisted books.  For me though, I have such a large TBR list that I haven't said anything.  I do have some books on my WL I've had for years though.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 12:37 PM ET
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I've been a member here for several years, I don't think it's unfair at all.

 

There are people who are buying a lot of new best selling books new, from amazon, bookstores, and right here thru the PBS Market (the retail new book side of PBS)  ---- that are very much in demand, and they are kind enough to want to pass these on to the Swap here instead of just reselling them on Amazon.  :)

As one of those people, I buy a lot of books new, from the PBS Market here and from Amazon...and if I put those books up on PBS, I would easily have 20+ books a month that I would have to send out....I can't afford that!

 

(especially. when people are only willing to pay other club members here $2 for a credit....now THAT is a truly unfair concept t----which amounts to members here "reverse-scalping" their credits so that it is hardly affordable for somebody like me, who buys  mostly new books that are very current and popular, to mail them out.

 

Also there are  people here spend part of their day or week at library sales, etc. and really keep an eye out for books that other people want.  It often requires more effort to buy and/or accumulate books that a lot of people want. And you have to know what those books are.

 

Without some incentive to mail together, I hate to tell you, but here would be far less notable, popular and Wish LIsted books being traded here.   Why anyhone would complain about people putting highly WL books into the system like this makes no sense to me??? 

Right now, out of 98 books on my shelf, 52 of them are wishlisted.    I haven't had time to put them up in WL multiples yet, but no way could I afford to mail those out individually!

SO please explain to me why it is "unfair" that for members who buy many "hot titles"  new, (and/or crtainly pay more that 50 cents at yard sales for them ) then pass on here and have to spend $60 a month in order to send them out?  There would be no incentive for them to do that at all.   

 

 

in case anyone doesn't know about retail new book side of PBS, here is the link, helps the club to buy your books thru them:

http://www.paperbackswap.com/market/index.php

 

 

 



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Date Posted: 7/2/2014 12:48 PM ET
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And what's interesting is that OFTEN the people who usually complain about WL Multiples  being "unfair" have bookshelves filled with books from 2008-2009, but wishlists filled with hot titles from 2014.  :)  Or have no books to offer, but 200+ on their wishlists.  

LOL

 

I think every endeavor in life you get out of it pretty much what you put in.    If you buy a bunch of 4 year old MMPs at yard sales for 5-cents a piece, don't expect to have anything to post in WL Multiples.....because those books just aren't in demand.  :)

 

And it's not the "ladies here" in charge of the forum who instituted WL Multiples.  That benefit exists on the other sister forums as well.........because it works.  It puts books, CDs and DVDs into the system, and puts them into the hands of other swappers.   

And, it takes extra work on the part of members to go thru those lists ....... it's not easy like just sitting back waiting for WL stuff to come to you.  Over on the DVD site, it's competitive, FIFO isnt done strictly by date requested, but where you *rank* items in your WL......so if you're willing to spend an extra few hours a week reading thru people's WL multiples, it pays off.

 

Again though, I think since it requires extra effort, to both comb thru those lists, as well as list and post and add to your WL multiple posts all month, there should be an  incentive, and that incentive is what WL multiples is all about.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2014 12:57 PM ET
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I also buy books from the marketplace and pass them along not bypassing people's wishlists.  That being said, I understand what you are saying but don't think you are in the majority of people who post wishlisted books.

What I don't understand though is the following statement:

(especially. when people are only willing to pay other club members here $2 for a credit....now THAT is a truly unfair concept t----which amounts to members here "reverse-scalping" their credits so that it is hardly affordable for somebody like me, who buys  mostly new books that are very current and popular, to mail them out.

What does someone selling their credits have to do at all with making it "hardly affordable" for someone like you to mail them out?

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:02 PM ET
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Because in order to afford to mail out books, many people who mail out a LOT of books here need postage money. 

If they can't sell a few credits once in a while to pay for postage, they often just can't afford to mail them out. 

There are a LOT more WL books that would be going out if people had postage money to mail them.  

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:08 PM ET
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In response to your second post wintertriangle, you don't see the current books that have been wishlisted on people's shelves and I assume you are referring to me, because they were taken by wishlist as soon as I posted them.  Other older books  approx 800 on my shelf are slow movers that I'm waiting until they come up in line of FIFO. Also I don't buy any 5 cent mmps at yard sales.  Most books I have bought or others have bought and give me to post or I have swapped and reposted.  

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:13 PM ET
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I also didn't much like Billie's insinuation about our forum leaders, who work hard as volunteers for the club.  They don't make the rules for PBS though.   The Team at PBS and the other sites approved WL mulitiples, becuase it puts stuff into the system. Very simple.  It allows members to mail out stuff in multiples to save money.   Those books otherwise would not go out at all. 

So, there is no reason for Billie, or anyone else, to post snarky stuff like this:

"Well folks, it seems like the 2 ladies in charge of the forum here have come up with a work around to get some wish list books sooner."

 

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:32 PM ET
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First, this is the wrong forum. Second, this has been going on for years, and you're just now figuring out that it's here? Where have you been? Our volunteers are hard workers. You shouldn't put them down.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:34 PM ET
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This is also posted in the Questions forum. Just in case that one gets deleted, I'll echo my statements from there: I love the thread. It's fun, exciting, though I think only once in all my years has anyone listed books I want. I keep checking, though, multiple times in a day. I mean, my WL is nearly 300! I'd die of excitement if someone had multiples of my books. There's absolutely nothing skeevy going on here. I'm pretty sure they do a lot of work behind the scenes.

It really does come down to money. You can now regularly buy credits at about $1.85 (I can't even believe it myself). The cost of mailing a HC is closing in on $4. At least, if you mail two (and therefore get 2 credits), you "break even." I've stopped posting individual books to the system. I just don't need the credits. But if I did, I'd probably just spend $1.85 to buy them rather than $3.69+ whatever to ship one book. I always have a long-azz list in the thread. If it gets people books they want, great. Maybe instead of thinking of it as cheating the general populous, think of it as rewarding those intrepid enough to seek out the forums and participate.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 1:36 PM ET
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"I assume you are referring to me"

 

No , Theresa D. (rxtheresa) - GA, I was not referring to you.  

I do not understand why you would think that, and there is absolutely no reason to say that.

 

The reason I entered this topic was because the original OP was "targetting" the forum leaders.   

And now somehow, by simply posting my opinion in this topic, trying to explain why WL Mulitples is a good idea (IMHO) I am suddenly accused of "targetting" you????no

 

I'm out of here.  Sorry, but I can't deal with all this life is unfair/victim mentality / table turning and I won't even try.  :)  

I hope Bilie and you and everybody else finds some wonderful WL books both thru FIFO and in the WL Multiple topics. That's what is so great about the Club.......many different OPTIONS for everybody to get and send books.  :)

 

May all your swaps be fun and wonderful.  



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Date Posted: 7/2/2014 2:44 PM ET
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Thank you winter.  At the time the OP and I were the only responders and with your discussion being large and bolded and all,  it was hard to not think you were talking to both of us.  I do agree that OP had a right to discuss her position but certainly should have done it in a less accusing manner. I'm sure our volunteers are very thick skinned though and used to hearing criticisms.   I am curious about how many books are actually sent out in the Wishlist Multiples.  What is a Wishlist book to some is an I would never read that to others.   As you can see I've mailed out over 1000 books since joining in 5/2009 so I consider myself a higher volume swapper also and have posted many deals in the forum too.  I agree it is fun to have different ways to swap.  Thanks for your good wishes.



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Date Posted: 7/2/2014 2:58 PM ET
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It is a shame that folks who do not like the system that PBS has put in place think it is fine to come into the forums to bash the volunteers who give freely of their time, efforts, brains and brawn to make the site what it is. Without the volunteers here on PBS, this site would not be nearly as wonderful as it is.

If you dont like the rules, dont play. Simple as that, PBS's site, PBS's rules.

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 3:09 PM ET
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I am extremely poor and would never post a WL book fifo, as I simply can't afford to mail a bunch of singles out.  I use the WL Multiples thread to offer my WL books, and have found and ordered multiples there myself.  I came here to get rid of our books, and in the process have been able to order books for myself and my grown kids.  When I have an excess of credits, I sell them in order to recoup postage costs.

Date Posted: 7/3/2014 12:35 AM ET
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(especially. when people are only willing to pay other club members here $2 for a credit....now THAT is a truly unfair concept t----which amounts to members here "reverse-scalping" their credits so that it is hardly affordable for somebody like me, who buys  mostly new books that are very current and popular, to mail them out.  yes

IMHO I think it is a good idea because postage keeps going up yet the per credit price in the bazaar has gone way down.  When I first started selling credits I could get $3 a credit- a good deal because thru the kiosk it was$3.79 I think.   Now it's $3.94 a credit but in the bazaar they are $2 each.   Since I hardly ever send multiples and always use pbs dc it costs me $2. 69 to mail each book so I refuse to sell them for less than I spend.  So I occassionally will offer wl books in that thread to "recoup" some of my costs -  then will usually sell a few credits so I can add money to my account to pay for pbs dc.  If I didn't have that option I would seldom offer wl books because I don't need the credits, which means the books  aren't made available to the club.  So in allowing the practice the club is getting the books the members want in stock faster.

Date Posted: 7/3/2014 11:04 AM ET
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I'm hearing that most people think postage is just too high to send books out individually and multiples are a really good idea.  Maybe the whole site needs rethinking then so that multiples are required for even non wishlisted books e.g. must choose at least 2 books when ordering.  I usually try to read my wishlisted books right away so I can repost them immediately as I'm doing now with The Divinity of Dogs and Memoirs of an Imaginary Friend ( I purchased this audiobook from PBS Market) but maybe I should just wait until I've read several and list them in the multiples thread.



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Date Posted: 7/3/2014 1:47 PM ET
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I've used the WL multiples several times to get a book or two I really needed to complete a series. I accumulate whole series before I read them. If I have to wait in a long WL line for any of the editions then all the series books I have in TBR are holding up their respective WLs. If the sender I ordered from  didn't have more than the one(s) I wanted I just ordered random extras to meet their minimum. As soon as they arrived I re-posted them to the regular WL FIFO. Expensive for me sometimes, but worth it to get books I wanted and helping to move the FIFO more quickly too. Not just the random books I ordered, but also putting the ones I've been holding in TBR back out there much more quickly, especially some of the really long series.

Date Posted: 7/3/2014 2:42 PM ET
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Deals and WL multiples allow the economy of the PBS system to work more efficiently. I think of it in terms of total cost for a credit. Here are some examples (and I'm rounding a lot of the costs to make the math easy.)

1. You buy a high-demand used book for say $5, read it, and then post it to FIFO. Mail it for $3, get one credit. You just paid $8 for that credit.

2. You buy that same book for $5, read it, and post it to WL multiples. You ship 3 books at one time for $1 each, you just paid $6 for that credit.

3. You buy the 5 cent used book in the example above, read it, and post it to FIFO. Mail it for $3, get one credit. you just paid $3.05 for that credit.

4. You buy the 5 cent used book, read it, and sell it in a 2/1 deal. Mail two books for $4, get one credit. You just paid $2.05 for half a credit.

5. You just buy a credit for $2.

Now with that explanation, you might think - why would anyone post a book for credit? why not just buy credits to get what you want? Because this isn't a 'get what you want' club, or a "free books for me!' club. It's a book sharing club. I genuinely enjoy sharing my books with other people. It's what keeps me away from ebooks. It's what keeps me trading my books here. There's nothing better than finding another member whose book tastes really sync with yours and sharing a book or two. Sometimes you find those members through FIFO, sometimes it's a swap or WL multiples.

Even so, I have noticed more and more "free books for me!" attitudes in the club. I really hope we can reverse that trend and focus on what we all love - sharing books.



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Date Posted: 7/4/2014 2:41 PM ET
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Glad I read this thread. I did not know about the wishlist multiples concept. Had seen the thread topic but never bothered to open it and see what it was all about. Will be following that thread in the future.

I frequently buy credits here for the reason that I am a packrat and like to keep most of my books. Yes, I buy many more books than I list, but that is just one of the benefits of making the system work for everyone.

In the past I have bought many craft and crochet books from ebay and also BetterWorldBooks.com during their sales. I also always use a rebate credit card to save even more. Hardback books can often be purchased for 2.50 or less (no postage cost from BetterWorldBooks). If I list one of those books that is on someone's wish list then I offer them other books I have purchased so I can usually ship 2 or 3 books together.

Paperbackswap is a great site and I am happy to be a member.

 



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Date Posted: 7/4/2014 8:36 PM ET
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And what's interesting is that OFTEN the people who usually complain about WL Multiples  being "unfair" have bookshelves filled with books from 2008-2009, but wishlists filled with hot titles from 2014.  :)  Or have no books to offer, but 200+ on their wishlists.  

LOL

What does that have to do with anything?  As long as they have the credits to cover their WL books when they come up, why do you care if they were acquired by sending out books or buying credits.  Does that thought diminish the value of the credit for you somehow.  Judgmental much?

Fair or not, makes no difference what annoys was the lack of information to the general membership by TPTB on this rule exemption.  The current logic >tongue firmly in cheek at that term< being we shouldn't be miffed because we should have been searching/exploring/researching the entire site for a rule exemption we didn't know existed.  Yeah that makes perfect sense.

For the record and in support of others with nothing on their shelf currently, the fact that there is nothing there now doesn't mean squat.  Mine is bare because frankly all my good books were sent out and like Theresa most of what I had left just weren't moving, at all.  80% of the books I've sent out were brand new read once by me books, the other 20% were books I got here.  Now I don't buy paperbooks that often, so there are not books to list other than WL books I get now.

Only thing that matters is that I have the credits to cover my books when they get offered and I do.  And when I read them I'll repost... of course NOW I know I can hold on to them and get people to bulk order them.  Yay, because while the postage isn't the end of the world for me... I really hate driving to the PO.  wink

Date Posted: 7/4/2014 9:14 PM ET
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Beverly,  you said exactly how I feel.  

 

Many people love books and love swapping books and love seeing books get into the hands of people who want them, and vice versa.  Iv'e received touching stories about who the books belonged to before me, sometimes a dearly loved relative who passed, etc.  This is part of the wonderful thing about books, their history.

For those who only care about what they can get, what's in it for then.......then perhaps belonging to a community or a club isn't the answer.  :)

This club works GREAT for the purpose of swapping.   My mom wanted an old copy of a book she gave away, and I was able to get it for her here lickety split.  Not having to comb the internet for it was a pleasure......she is 88 and not in good health. 

Anyway, love PBS, there will always be things that aren't perfect but overall it works!

 

Subject: wl multiples
Date Posted: 7/4/2014 9:17 PM ET
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It is totally fair and everyone has access to it. I did not know about at first either. If you search the site to learn all about it, you will know what is what. And of course it saves you postage. Don't quite understand why the naysayers say it doesn't.

Date Posted: 7/4/2014 10:34 PM ET
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When I first joined PBS I didn't know about the WL multiples thread and I would post my books (most of which I had bought NEW) into the system, but it was getting expensive to send out these books individually ... so I was getting to the point that I almost didn't want to post books that were WL'd (because I knew they'd immediately get requested) until I absolutely needed credits or knew I had a chunk of money for postage. Then I found the multiples thread and I think it FANTASTIC for several reasons:

1) Postage! Like everyone says, especially now that postage has gone up, the cost adds up if you are sending out many books individually. Essentially, sending out a multiple credit order helps lower the amount that I'm paying per credit.

2) It helps me get some books faster. I have absolutely no problem spending more than 1 credit per order, especially if it gets me a book(s) I've been eagerly anticipating. 

3) Usually new releases will be WL'd... and if you have a new release, it's probably because you spent the extra money to buy it new. So the thread gives people an extra incentive to post their new books. 

And it rewards people who take the extra time to actually post in and/or browse the thread. I check it fairly often, so as people have said, it takes so effort and waiting... it's not like WL books just fall into my lap because I know about the thread. 

 

Also, seeing how wonderful the thread is has motivated me to try and spend multiple credits even when ordering regular books from people's shelves.. I almost always browse members' bookshelves to check if there's anything else by an author I like, etc. 

Date Posted: 7/4/2014 10:39 PM ET
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Would you say that 2/1 or 3/1 deals are unfair as well, because not everyone knows about this thread? I think not. 

What about people on here selling their credits for absurdly cheap? People who don't know about this forum might be spending $3.79 or more buying credits from PBS, meanwhile everyone over here is "circumventing the system"

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