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Subject: Water damage question
Date Posted: 11/24/2007 9:57 AM ET
Member Since: 11/16/2007
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As a new member I would like to ask what is the big deal with water damage? If the book is readable, and some of the pages are wavy, I don't understand why people have issues with it. After all, this is a USED book swap. Books are not to be expected in pristine condition. If it's readable, why not read it and enjoy it?

Just asking for y'alls opinions. Thanks!

 

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:01 AM ET
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A lot of time water damamged books can also have mold on them, and mold can be dangerous - and not just for people that are allergic.  I'll read a book in just about any condition, but I would not want to pay $3.45 (what credits cost) for a water damaged book.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:09 AM ET
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I think if you start saying that some water damage is ok then people will take it to the extremes and take advantage of what is ok or not ok.  I know I just sent out a book I was given and didn't realize until after I had posted it that there was slight water damage near the back (the pages were stained but not wavy and the receiver said it was ok to send, I asked first before cancelling).  to me that sort of book would be ok to ME to receive.  However another book I have is majorly stained and seems to have swelled up some, that book I wouldn't want to receive.

As it is, I see many threads from people about books that aren't up to PBS standards and while they aren't I sometimes wonder what the big deal is about that book (other than it doesn't meet PBS standards so shouldn't have been sent)

just my opinion

 

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:16 AM ET
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Also water-damaged books that grow mold will eventually cause books stored near them to grow mold. I have personally dont mind books in well loved condtion and will basically read anything, just would want all my books to get moldy from exposure to other moldy books.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:18 AM ET
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Good points above. Like I said, I'm a newbie trading books.

 Any other opinions?

 



Last Edited on: 11/24/07 10:18 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:34 AM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2007
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I recently received a book with water damage. It was a photographic book and the pages stuck together. Prying them apart, I damaged many pages. (Outcome: I told the seller and she refunded my credit.)

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 10:55 AM ET
Member Since: 8/27/2005
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I'm glad that there are guidelines for posting books, because everyone is a little different as to what they personally would consider unacceptable to receive as a trade.  I don't mind water damage too much as long as it is water, and not some unidentified brown liquid!  My own personal pet peeve is a smoky smell, whereas someone who smokes would not even know the book came from a smoker.  The posting guidelines cover the more extreme situations, no liquid damage because of the mold issue, no damaged books like cracked spines, etc.  Although I love the feeling of a brand new, pristine book (and definitely want that in certain books) I know I couldn't afford to read anywhere near as much as I do without this great site, so I gladly accept books that are used and that show it.  But I think the posting guidelines are important and would report unpostable books aas received with a problem.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 12:44 PM ET
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I've accidently spilled water on a couple of new books lately, and I can tell you that it changes the fiber in the covers somehow, making them weaker, almost mushy.  The pages get very wavy too - so much so that as a previous poster said, it swells the book up.

Also, unless you damaged it yourself, you really don't know what liquid caused the damage.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 2:44 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 11/4/09 5:38 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/24/2007 4:37 PM ET
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I just want to point out that a book can have wavy pages w/o having water dmg. I've noticed more and more books that I've purchased new having wavy pages and I haven't gotten any sort of liquid on them.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 4:55 PM ET
Member Since: 10/11/2007
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Well, a couple of days ago I started a thread that I was tired of complaining about water damaged books.  Today I received 2 more that are damaged which means that 4 out of 5 books I have received during the past week have damage.  Granted the last two have extremely minor damage but I will not be posting them.  I'm sure that the members didn't notice. In fact, I didn't notice the damage on one until after I began reading it. The one I received today has damage on the inside edges of the pages but not stained.  Not sure if I'll complain about this one, I'll probably mark it received and move on. I still haven't received the credit due me for another book.  I really enjoy this site & I've had a really good experience with my first few transactions.  But now, I'm really getting discouraged to the point that I'll probably go ahead and clean off my bookshelf, quickly spend my 15 credits and then bail out of PBS.  I find it stressful to confront members & tell them I'm not happy with the books, especially when they claim that they didn't notice the damage.  Perhaps I'll have better luck when I spend my next few credits...if so, I'll stick around.  ; )

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 5:09 PM ET
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I think there is a big difference between a book being "used" and a book being "damaged'.  I think R&R have done a good job of clarifying exactly what kind of books are allowed to be swapped here.  If you start saying, well, some water-damage is okay.  It won't stop there.  Peoples interpretation of what degree a book is damaged is going to be different from one person to the other.  It would just be like opening Pandorra's Box ~ you would never know what kind of book you were receiving and would have little recourse in being able to call anything damaged if the rule were as ambiguous as that.  JMO

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 5:29 PM ET
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I had some books in storage once (not listed here) that had gotten damp from a leaky roof, and when I took them out of storage to sort them and figure out what to do with them, one of them had become moldy.  So I guess that would be the main reason not to allow water damage, because at some point it may turn to mold.

I also agree that wondering what exactly got the book wet comes into question.  I'm really not fussy about book condition, but after having to throw one away with mystery stains and odors, I won't accept one that's that bad again.

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 7:04 PM ET
Member Since: 11/11/2007
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One of the first four books I sent out (again, I've been a member for not quite 2 weeks now), was marked as "received with a problem". When I PMd the recipient, who had indeed specified in her request that books meet PBS standard and then listed them - and so I made absolutely sure to go get the book, flip through it, and be SURE it did meet standards - she said that 2 or 3 pages in the very center of the book had slight water damage and were a little wavy/crispy. I find it hard to believe, because I know that I was given the books in very good condition, had them less than 2 months, read them only once, and posted them here - and again, I flipped through to make sure it met her conditions. Obviously anyone that would put that books must meet PBS standards is probably pretty picky about certain tihngs, so I MADE SURE.

Anyway. *IF* there were 2 or 3 "crispy" pages in the center, it was not enough for me to notice when reading OR when checking for damage. She didn't ask for a credit back, and was nice enough in her PMs, but it just ticked me because I made so sure that it didn't have damage, and now I have that mark.

 

I can see the point of the NO water damage rule. I agree that if it were "some" damage, that would be too ambiguous to enforce and people would take advantage. But still, let's be reasonable people....

 

:stepping down from high horse: LOL Sorry. A little aggravated over that one. ;-)

Date Posted: 11/24/2007 9:53 PM ET
Member Since: 6/13/2007
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margie,

. I know it's frustrating to receive un-postable books and have to pm the person but it's really best to do that.  people need to know when they send out an un-postable book that it is not ok.   occasionally someone really might not be aware that there is damage but some do know and they send them anyway . if someone gets a lot of 'received with problem'  it alerts pbs that they are not following the rules.

I have received un-postable books as everyone else has but they sure do not compare to the number of really great books that I have gotten (and all the nice people I have come across).  I hope you stick around..good members are needed here  :-)

Date Posted: 11/25/2007 12:49 PM ET
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Last Edited on: 11/4/09 5:37 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/25/2007 1:26 PM ET
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I just want to point out that a book can have wavy pages w/o having water dmg. I've noticed more and more books that I've purchased new having wavy pages and I haven't gotten any sort of liquid on them.

I've gotten books that way too, and I can tell you that it is very different from actual water damage.  The books that I water damaged (bottled water at that) have gaps of 1/4 inch or more where the pages have warped.  The paper itself has a changed texture too - not exactly wrinkled, but I'd compare it to the texture of a cotton shirt taken from the dryer vs. one that has been pressed.